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I did something kind of stupid just before we started recording I'm not surprised welcome to multiple nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All Things nerdy I was reading an article and a lot of people for some reason doing covers of songs in The Last of Us two oh yeah I've seen that and one of the ones I've done is H yep so oh I saw this headline annoyed me I think and then I went and watched the music clip for the Johnny Cash cover oh yeah and I got a little I got a little sad yeah man quite Mark romanic directed that and uh he originally didn't intend to have any of that archival footage in

there but he found out that he didn't really have enough to cut together of just kind of Johnny sitting around looking sad so he was like well what do I have the right he's too happy um well no I mean he put in a whole bunch of shots of him looking happy 50 years ago and it just suddenly it just suddenly made that clip so sad but you see like his wife's there like watching him as well and she's like nearly in tears and he's and oh my god well I saw the the reason I got annoyed is cuz I saw the headline on some website that said people can't stop covering Johnny Cash's song Hurt in The Last of Us and I was like it's not Johnny Cash's song that was a I think you you'll be proud of me I did call it Johnny Cash's cover yes I know I know except his his version is a lot

better uh well it's not um so it's very different just a guy on a guitar just a guy playing doing a cover of a 9 in nail song on guitar and singing it there nothing better about it it's just it's fine I don't know what do you mean I I do think for some reason I like that version a lot better do you like 9in nails I love else apparently you don't what look disrespected him live here on the podcast controversially I mean that's one it's one been one of my favorite songs since the '90s but when when Johnny covered it I thought this he's taken it to a level that Trent never did so really well that's that's the whole thing Trent actually says like it's um he actually thinks that that song's found at home with Johnny Cash he actually thinks his version is better I

don't necessarily think it's it's better I mean it's not it's not an arrange it's it's not a better arrange M or you know the musicality is not better I think it's just more powerful he just he just found a sadness in that song that was less self-deprecating than when Trent sings it and and is more just tragic well the way Trent's version of it goes is sort of like a young person sort of turning towards all those bad things whereas Johnny Cash like spins it like he's an old one remembering what's happened what's happened what he's done through throughout his life and H there you go listeners The Secret of a successful cover is to be a sad old man mhm I mean I'm trying to I'm trying to get success by being a sad old man across the board Matt not just with my

covers yeah I don't really do covers to be honest you you got a sad old man Tik Tok account yet no I don't I don't have a Tik Tok oh I've deleted Tik Tok I've deleted Tik Tok have you yeah Tik Tok is snooping on your clipboard yes it really is yeah and they admitted it when they got called out on it they like they couldn't help it yeah cuz the new version of iOS has a bunch of uh new security features one of which is it tells you when [ __ ] snooping on your clipboard so Tik Tok was grabbing the contents of your clipboard just to put this into perspective it's it's just it's just grabbing data right it's not actually it doesn't actually care about you or like I keep anytime I see Tik Tok watching you news it's always China is listening and it's like what do you mean

by that I mean Tik tok's a privately owned company in China right it's not the Chinese government spy everything's owned by the Chinese government I mean I'm not I'm not particularly think was even really thinking about why or who's doing it but the I mean I use password managers and stuff like that like if you stealing my passwords out of my clipboard [ __ ] off yeah no no I'm not I'm not defending them I'm I'm just uh yeah I don't know I think uh I think you're right to delete it there's no reason no reason at all that Tik Tok needs to take the contents of my like what I'm copying and pasting on my phone like there no reason for that so like I I honestly and they didn't even bother trying to justify it they just said yeah we'll we will stop doing that now that

you C us good yeah do that yeah do stop not even like sorry or it was an accident cuz you can't accidentally do that yeah right no they're they're mining for data I mean that's that's my first thought is they're trying to steal people's passwords like what else would they trying to pinch I doubt it's that malicious I think I mean of of course that's I mean they could but but I I I think they're more likely just trying to find sta what are people saying about each other what are they looking at just selling information yeah yeah it could be you know speaking of speaking of things you can do as an old man that you uh you couldn't do when you were young uh I did something this week that I've been trying to do since I was 15 unsuccessfully until now is this is this

something Marilyn Manson could do due to having some ribs yeah that's right I've got I've got massively less chance of doing that now I tell you than I I had no chance back then and I've got less of a chance now um no I something popped into my head the other day that I hadn't thought about in a long time decades even and I thought I'll give that a try and to my surprise and Delight I apparently can now after 20 plus 30 maybe years of trying I Can Do Magic eyes oh you know the the like the posters where you got to relax your eyes see the 3D image never did them had a book in my house my entire family could see it and they were like H look a sailboat and I was like what the [ __ ]

are you talking about I've never been able to do them so I guess maybe I should try then try it now you think it's because do you think maybe it's because your eyes are going is yeah maybe no actually it's because so there's a bunch Google image search you find you find heaps right basically once you train your eye to do one you can see as many as you want like you just know how to do it and there there's one that you can get so if you Google it and you want to really do it Google Magic Eye with guides right and it's actually got two dots above the picture and it says Focus your eyes here and then it kind of makes you a tiny bit cross-eyed and then it says okay now glance down in the middle of the picture with your eyes still in that direction and when you do

your eyes are at the right place to see it and then once you've seen one you kind of know how to do it but I was always so jealous of people yeah I can't do them either I've always been able to do it but I've always found them pretty disappointing I wonder if this know oh is this the one with the it's got like the flowers and then you place your finger out so you to gently pull them apart pull my eyes apart all right then well now I can't see anything yeah that's the magic of eyes that's interesting it does still it ends up hurting your eyes though because forcing yourself not to focus is quite painful because it's actually you're you're looking at one focal plane but you're focused on a different imaginary

focal plane behind that yeah okay and yes it is it is awful on your eyes yeah my eyes aren't where they used to be anyway why still all right I think I don't have glasses or anything yeah you two have managed to avoid uh I have no idea how yeah I was going to say of all of all the people I would have thought luk could have glasses well I mean we all spend a lot of time looking at screens I mean the optometrist say ruin my eyes oh yes looking at screens yeah yeah I'm surrounded by him why is Luke looking so Shifty do you not look at screens yeah I know we really don't know what you do for a living do we no no no no I was I was doing the whole joke of like another reason why you oh right I'm sorry I can't see you I can't see you

mate no no no cuz I'm always screen I used to read in the dark I used to be like yeah I've treated my eyes terribly and they still work I mean surely reading in the eyes reading in the eyes reading in the dark strengthens your eyes right I mean like going to the gym no apparently not apparently puts unnecessary strain on them that's what they used to tell us anyway but they also say like don't sit close to your screen they of dumb stuff yeah I don't think they know they say the sun gives you cancer okay I'll stay out of the sun then will I yeah yeah it's just and then you get in trouble cuz you don't have enough vitamin D yeah I'll give you them vitamin D promises promises I've told Tim Cook that he can go [ __ ] himself and I've bought myself a PC I said I was

going to do it welcome I said I was true is this this your first PC the last PC that I owned uh was not my own it was my dad so I've never owned one and it was a Pentium 100 and the last windows that I used was Windows 95 yuck so I assume it's wow I assume it's the same is it yeah yeah exactly good good I'll remember how to use it then exactly yeah giant icons on a low resolution screen yeah 15in monitor I had with that Penny and one 15 in was pretty good it was good because everyone else had a 14in that I knew and then Dad brought home the 15 I was like [ __ ] yeah I remember Dave Dave always had the better stuff first so he always got I mean he got a 17-in monitor and I was like [ __ ] in felt awfully big Zing playing vampire

the Masquerade Redemption oh yeah on his overclocked Pentium 300 or something mate I was I was playing that on my my power MAAC G4 oh yeah which wasn't meant to be able to play it out all yeah well I'm sure I've told this stupid story before but I actually I used to um because you know with Windows 95 it ran on top of Doss so you yeah no it wasn't 95 it was Windows 3.1 Windows 3.1 had um ex extended memory uh like virtual memory and so I could trick my computer into thinking it had enough RAM to play Duke Nukem 3D oh except it would it was using Ram like it was using swap space and so it was unplayable but it worked and you played it a lot and cuz I as a kid I was kind of more interested in making it work than playing the game for some reason like oh yeah yeah yeah

yeah man I had a I had a shareware version of that for so many years um that only played the first three levels and I played them so often that now I can put it on 30 years later and just just just know it just do it just play it know where every enemy is know where every item is it's like Doom first few levels of Doom I'm just like there's a guy over there the first Doom or Doom two but yeah the second you get to the part where you had to have paid for paid for the game I've got no idea I've got less than an idea I was more familiar with Doom 2 than Doom one I think I know Doom two better oh sure hell on Earth H but yeah got myself a PC laptop what' you get what' you get what' you get what'd you get so after uh after thinking a lot and a lot of deliberation

I have ended up uh with I figured since I'm going to be on Windows I might as well get myself a Microsoft machine so I've ended up with the uh the surface laptop 15 in cool I'm theard about what specs to get ended up thinking I should probably future proof and uh so I I basically got the the most speced out one that is available here cool you know so it's not a hardcore gaming laptop or anything like that but it's certainly going to no no but it should play some stuff yeah it should certainly going to play a lot more than my [ __ ] Mac players that's for sure you'll be probably be surprised about what it can play cuz it's not like 20 years ago where if you didn't upgrade your computer within 3 months you could play the next game games now you can buy a

computer it's good for 3 years yeah and honestly like I'm I'm going to still be using my console for most of my gaming you know it's really just Steam games and and and that kind of thing that I'm interested in stuff that you you can't play on the cockbox yeah like disco alium yeah well it's funny you say that Luke because I'm actually playing that again uh we mentioned last week that we discovered there was a hardcore mode I decided to give it a go mhm um how's that going worth it just because when you when you actually click the Box on the hardcore you hear Kuno go hardcore and uh that makes you feel good so yeah um try that it's difficult it's difficult it's basically uh nothing nothing gives you skill points so oh you just very very rarely have anything that you can

upgrade so you're basically just relying on making good choices in your conversation trees and trying making sure you're wearing the right clothes yeah yeah um [Applause] that I'm playing as anyway so it's interesting did you see I want it's a spoilery question that I want to ask spoil away all right spoilers for discoi just skip ahead a little bit if you don't want to hear discoi SPO spoiler there's not going to be much to it I don't think but I want to know did you did you find it did you you found it the and a pict it photo with it yeah yeah you get a photo with it yeah yeah I did I did and um man the people online that haven't cuz it's not a given that you find that CU people are people are on the forums on

Reddit just going what the [ __ ] are you guys talking about man I got a a photo with it yeah Kim was Kim was [ __ ] beside himself yeah yeah yeah a did you that's spoiler that just makes me want to play the game more did you show anyone the photo yeah at the end yeah yeah yeah I'm going to be famous so now that you've played it Matt um there's something that happened to me the first playthrough that didn't happen to me in the second one at all and hasn't happened to me the third time yet so far and that is did you get the urge to masturbate and have to decide whether or not to whip your [ __ ] out and jerk off in front of Kim and everyone else who was around I did not okay so the first time around I think it's because cuz the order that you do things

depend like determines what missions you get as well because okay the first first time I played it it took me ages to find my badge so I couldn't prove to the union rep that I was a cop right so she said that she would only give the information that I wanted if I found out who was dealing drugs out of the lorries right and I haven't done that since because I found my ID early enough that that does doesn't come up right so while I was going through the lorries I found out because this is a traffic jam for those who don't know the the entire game happens on two city blocks right you can't go to the north because there's a factory that's closed and there's strike workers picketing outside there's a traffic jam of of lorries to one end and then for most of the game there's a

there's a bridge out on the other end you can't go anywhere yeah while going through the lorries I found a postcard that was a pinup girl did you find that I don't think so yeah so it's only when you do certain things that you even can get into this one particular truck to look around I found this Fu me now I got to play the game I found this card and I kept carrying it around with me and every now and again take it out and look at it right and um at one point at one point my psyche started saying to me you're just you're just too aroused now you you're going to have to you're going to have to release some of this tension and he's and he's like but but Kim's right here and and it's like doesn't matter doesn't matter he'll understand and I was like no I'm not going to

[ __ ] do it so I didn't do it and I lost health and morale for not doing it I almost died because I didn't didn't want to masturbate in public oh man what a game on the hard cord mode could you do it see what happens I'll see well I haven't I haven't encountered that that mission yet so we'll we'll see what happens what a [ __ ] well it's so good that every now it's getting a television series yeah don't know how I feel about this I know I saw the headline and I was like that can't be real no it's I mean that's that's the that's the story it's becoming a it's being adapted by the guy who uh produced the Sonic the Hedgehog movie there's quite a bit to unpack here look this is a runaway hit I can understand why Hollywood's trying to

jump on it I can understand like the fact that they're doing it as a television show over a movie though yeah definitely from why you guys explain I think it makes more sense as a movie although I would have said same I would have said the same about uh Watchmen and that show was [ __ ] disgraceful I just don't I don't think you can make this into a I mean I mean sure I'm sure they will and like it can be done but it's not going to be the same you think maybe they'll try one of those things like uh Choose Your Own Adventure oh I hope they don't honestly it already is that because it's you like you know you don't Dodge things you don't jump there's no levels this is essentially an interactive story so they've already got that and uh you could do a film of this

if you did like a kind of Jacob's Ladder you know like Dream Within A Dream weird hazy nightmare type thing you you could do it but the fact that they're like oh who's who's done a who's done a an adaptation of a of a video game recently oh let's get the Sonic guy to do it yeah I just don't see the the reason that it works is because you have to choose from these ridiculous options that are not none of none thing you choose in it is the ideal solution and that's part of the charm of the game for me is that like right here's three [ __ ] options which one do you want to go with and then just [ __ ] watch This Disaster at one point was playing it earlier today I had a couple of options and the last option were seriously you're not going to give me any other

options so I don't I don't see how you can capture that aspect of it and for me that's that's what it is that's the CU that'll go and it'll just be superficially the story of you have cop going around yeah yeah and if you want that there is a very good movie already called [ __ ] I'm going to have to Google this Paul BL oh I want to talk about Paul BL in one sec too actually oh [ __ ] really yeah yeah yeah yeah I actually do was not expecting that to go anywhere no um I'd forgotten that but it's saved here uh so remind me about Paul BL in just a sec but I want to talk about I'm just gonna I'm trying to remember just going to look up waen Phoenix and look up a movie he did a couple of years ago called someone's yelling at their [ __ ] iPhone right now on the bus sorry about

this it's called is that what that noise is it's called inherent Vice and inherent Vice inherent VI it's good I suggest you you do watch it it's set in the 70s in LA and it's uh it's got Wen Phoenix as a drug [ __ ] detective who uh gets himself uh in over his head when he tries to investigate uh stuff and uh weirdness bu up on weirdness and it's kind of like what this would be if you didn't control it and if you weren't inside his mind if you just want to watch a story like this then this is it yeah I just don't think I mean look that does sound good and I'm I mean maybe the TV series will be good but I don't I just don't see the point of it it's not going to be the same I don't think I don't see how it could be so why bother

well Mak make something else what I'm getting the impression of because they haven't found like who's going to stream it they've got to right it just to me it sounds like the producer just like the game and wants to expand it I like the game I still don't want it to be a TV series mhm yeah I just don't see but wait and see the whole way the story unfolds the whole way like the world the way the world is and all that kind of stuff it's not it's not even it doesn't make sense like it's not I just I don't see how it's going to work anyway you never know Matt did you tell her that it was beautiful when you saw it oh yeah yeah such a such an amazing moment I didn't expect it I'll be honest no no even though there's a couple of

people telling you it's there y yeah uh I I have I've gone back to a game we talked about this briefly and I'm not going to mention it too much but I did go back to a game I uh I was looking for something to pick up after I finished uh what did I finish I think I just didn't feel like playing on my computer anymore probably played witch 3 for the seventh time yeah no I've gone back to Red Dead Redemption 2 after playing it for I guess a couple of hours I was like oh I'm I'm addicted again okay really okay that's great Matt's in cowboy mode yeah I got I noticed I I I figured out how to get to the so there there is no one corrected me on this there is a quest log is it uh yeah it's just not you if you tap the left d-pad button it comes up with the quest log and then you

can look at there's like quests and um you know challenges and other stuff in there so there's that you can fast travel I don't know whether that's something I just unlocked at some point or if they patched the game but yeah I can fast travel [ __ ] anywhere what oh you can now cuz I remember how do you fast travel yeah you you make a camp yeah and then from the camp you can travel in I feel like that's how it worked in Red Dead Redemption it was so you can travel places that you have had a camp or you can travel to anywhere you've been to believe where we wagons like stage coaches drop off yeah I think so well no not even cuz you ride your horse there you just choose they named locations like for example I could say uh take me to Valentine and it'll show

he'll he'll kick the fire out and then it'll show like a little Montage as it's loading and then it'll show a little video of him riding the horse into town with the wide screen bars and then the bars are lifting and then I'm there okay so that the game starts off very slow and then you unlock that where you can actually sort of Jump Around the map a bit faster and then at the it slows down again at the end see I don't know when at what point it unlocked it just it's just there it's it's always been there but a lot of the time you still you just end up riding where you're going I I do I found because you encounter stuff like I found no spoilers please cuz I'm kind of getting into this again right so I I solved the The Mystery of the serial killer oh so did you yeah oh okay I did

that last night and then also the one I'm on the trail of now is the night folk I don't know if you've encountered that no this [ __ ] I don't know I don't want to spoil now I want to play this again I'm riding through the bi the bio Bou mhm and then there's this [ __ ] man hung from a tree just in the in the road and I'm like the [ __ ] so I I stop and I'm looking at it and then I get off the horse and I'm like the [ __ ] going on and then all of a sudden these [ __ ] people with like painted faces come charging out of the [ __ ] swamp so I'm like [ __ ] so I'm shooting them all I'm like what the [ __ ] is going on so I I shoot the guy down and he's got this piece of paper that says they're no longer in my dreams they've come for me

in the in in the waking world the night great so I'm like holy [ __ ] okay I'm into it yeah see that stuff's cool but like I just remember 15 sequences where I'm just like riding around with some sheriff and he's telling me all about the town I'm going to and I just yeah it's a great I was playing and then I went back to camp and Dutch was like Arthur can I speak to you and I like no busy about the main quest don't I'm looking for all the weird love crafty and stuff that's out there okay no time unless you got some creepy [ __ ] for me Dutch I'm not interested but yeah you can't play just pick it up play for half an hour and put it down you have to give it you have to sit down and be prepared to give it a few hours of your life each

time yeah I hunted a legendary bear o finally back went back inside and played a bit of red dead that's right but yeah you once now that I've like got the controls I feel like I just need to [ __ ] finish the game before I don't play it for a couple of months come back and I'm like how the [ __ ] do I reload my gun like interesting yeah well exactly right like the muscle memory for the controls is back now so okay so I've been playing disco elesium again Matt's been playing Red Dead Again Luke what have you been playing um sort of nothing what I don't believe you all right I I have played a couple of games yeah come on man finished a couple of games he just doesn't want to admit what they are oh whatever a I'm

actually start playing hentai game or something just for the achievements been playing resent Evil 5 on the PC okay oh yeah cuz Resident Evil 5 isn't that the terrible one in Haiti yes it is terrible but I found out that on Steam you can actually install a cop a version of it that you still get Xbox achievements so play that is it at least is it at least easy oh no it's not no no no it's actually it's easy to play It's the game is easy it's just hard to play because it's so terrible right okay yeah like the controls are bad the story is bad it was such a shame that that series went off the rails because the first couple of Resident Evil games were great mhm um I I've got seven Seven's evidently meant to be really good but

it's nothing like the other games like it's you're some crazy familyes trying to kill you or something I we have that actually Jenna was playing that I just remembered we have the disc for that somewhere somewhere yeah I was actually thinking of relooking at an older game the The Mad Max game and uh I love and but but I realized yeah it was good it was good and I started thinking I never finished that did you guys finish it no me either yeah but I was oh you did of course um but I was thinking get an achievement for finishing it I'd have to literally go looking for the disc you know oh that's right you're still buying discs aren't you no I mean I'm not haven't for years but at that point I was that might have been the last one I bought it isn't it on Game Pass is that

how I was playing it um no I don't think it is I must own it earlier than that do you guys want to know why I have some followup Paul Blart mop news oh yeah sorry yes yes I don't really have any news uh per se but uh a third one or something no no no no I watched the film uh this week called Becky uh which is pretty good it's a horror oh is this one where he's like a stalker or something he's a Neo-Nazi this is Kevin James who's SE poster I think guy who's in all the [ __ ] Adam Sandler and that other guy King of Queens is that the show you in is that the one one of those shows yeah something like that generally unfunny guy um and certainly unfunny in this except it's not a comedy he's uh he's got a shaved head and an enormous bushy beard and SW sck a tattoo

on his neck and he's [ __ ] terrifying and apparently he's a really good actor he apparently he's really a Neo method actor they just they didn't put the makeup on him this time they just took the makeup off his neck but this movie also has Joel mcale in it it this this plays out like a super low budget it's no no no it's a horror movie it's like a slasher horror Thriller the premise is some NE Ruben neo-nazis escaped from prison and they they hide out in this house in the woods so careful Matt cuz you got a house in the woods where's you nearest prison [ __ ] prison would have a clue yeah well find out where it is um yeah and they take the whole family hostage except this one little girl called Becky is outside and so it basically turns into an adult

version of Home Alone uh where she slowly murders uh all of the criminals yeah Nazis yeah yeah right it's good okay yeah I liked it is John M Neo-Nazi in it I wish he was a Neo-Nazi we do have we have some racism Community news though oh we do yeah you want to Segway to that this is a this a weird one it is weird but also I understand and in fact this is what we've been talking about in the past where Luke for example has said there's nothing inherently wrong with painting your face black other than the context yes so in community on the I guess the D and D episode famous episode one of yeah it's um a chang wears he he dresses as a as a

dark elf yeah so he's painted his skin like and the whole joke in that is he's taken all this time to get into character and that's going to be who he is and he dies in the first 30 seconds like that's the whole joke yeah yeah that he's sort of committed so much and to to be clear he's not he's not portraying afrian am he's jet black elf um but of course it's I mean they're not idiots so they obviously knew it was a provocative image but then again his yeah can I just say I we watched through Community recently we put it back from the first and we're like why did we stop watching this this Show's great it's like really really great for two seasons and then

it's next level awful as soon as Jeff becomes a teacher at the school and the study group becomes a committee yeah the whole thing is quite weird cuz with that like um oh what's his name Pierce um why can I not remember his name oh um Chevy Chase Chevy Chase evidently he did not get along well with um people on that show like a f he got I saw there's an interview with Dan Haron about that and then he was saying how Chevy Chase apparently didn't know that he wasn't getting along with everybody and so there was this Awkward Moment where Chevy Chase had this big meltdown because he felt like someone should have said something H because he didn't realize he was being a prick but that's one of things where he he's sort of been

famous for that his entire career just doesn't understand even once when he went back to host Saturday Night Live like he got in a fist fight with Bill Murray before it went on and that's why he was never allowed back cuz CU you know Dan harmer does that podcast now the reason actually the reason he told told the story is because the reason he does the podcast now is because he used to just do the do them live at this little venue in New York and somebody recorded the one where he told the story about how everyone did disliked Chevy Chase on set and Chevy Chase saw it and got upset cuz he was like why didn't you tell me and then they had that big falling out or something like that that's my that's I think that's what he said any I think he

still does his podcast live right yes yeah yeah no he does but that's why he started doing it because he was like well if people are going to record it I'll self share it that way if I say something dumb it's my fault that it got out yeah can I I I don't want to get controversial here right but I just want to say something that I noticed this week that actually surprised me uh did you go did you guys know and you probably did the four men who have been charged with the George Floyd killing yes only two of them are white one of them is Asian and one of them is African-American yeah I did not know that I just assumed it was like four Hillbillies no yeah I heard a pretty compelling argument that that it seems like they didn't mean to kill him

they're just useless is what seems to be the the takeaway here like and this happens often enough that it's like they need more training like yeah it comes down to like really does seem a lot of time that excessive use of force has happen more with people of color than white and even you see in like the shooting things that happen like a mass shooting if they're white they seem to be captured but then you get someone pulled over having no weapon on them not done anything wrong and they end up getting shot yeah well there was another case where this similar thing happened but it was a white guy but they were restraining him by sitting on him and he died and they just apparently too [ __ ] stupid to realize you can't crush a man without killing him yeah

like and then it's possible that in this Cas too like so in other words there there is racism of course but also there's just incompetence It's a combination of yes racism combined with just complete lack of understanding about how much force is acceptable and how much you're going to [ __ ] kill somebody well I know this the psychiatric medicine industry is picketing for police to not be able to get involved when people with mental illness are yeah are you know uh I don't know even how to phrase it are getting getting into trouble um because but they're basically saying they shouldn't be treated like other criminals that it's a very specific case and you're not in any way trained to deal with it yeah and it seems like

there's a lot of situations that are not actually really trained to deal with well because the other thing too is and like I hadn't thought of this but as a as a and this doesn't apply to George Floyd case at all but in in a lot of situations um the thing to remember that I I guess I'd never thought of this in the US anybody could have a gun and if a cop gets involved in a fight of any sort or an altercation the first thing that they're going to think of is I've got a [ __ ] gun like this person could get my gun and and then so it's just a factor that's not there and say like the UK or something where they don't well I mean besides that M it's a gun culture you know like yeah anybody anybody else could have one and you've got one so if you get into a fight even a fist fight

like if someone punches a cop out well now there's a [ __ ] gun available yeah like oh yeah I never thought of that there needs to be some real [ __ ] changes then probably there won't be but we'll see I think one of the changes that they're pushing forward now and I think a few Place actually starting to sign off on it is Police won't be going out to sort of non-criminal things like noise complaints and things like that actually trying to bring up like other things other services to go out to things like that and then cops go out for hey there someone robbing this place instead of hey my neighbor's being a bit loud or that's such a simple but great idea isn't it because I mean like all of these things that as you say noise

complaints and stuff that's what they start off as and then someone freaks out cuz they got meth in the house and then they start acting all Shifty and then someone gets shot yeah whereas that wouldn't happen if the person who came out has the authority to tell you to turn off your [ __ ] music but doesn't have the authority to search your house for meth well you've actually even seen times where people have called the police cuz there have been people sort of outside they've gone outside to meet the police and then they've been shot yes yeah that one of the one of the case one of the the the cases that people are tweeting about a lot Bri Taylor yes she got shot because the cops burst into the wrong house it was a no knock thing they burst in they didn't

announce themselves busted in and then boyfriend shot at them cuz he didn't know what the [ __ ] was going on and then she got shot because a bunch of guys wearing all black burst into the room with guns this gu's panicked and tried to defend himself mhm shot and then they've killed her wow and it was wrong house the person that they were even looking for was already in custody wow yeah [ __ ] up I've noticed something odd that I that I think is odd in the last couple of weeks I would expect to see absolutely no cases of police shooting black people because if I was a cop even if I was a racist cop I wouldn't be [ __ ] touching my gun at the moment guys we should probably dial

back on it for a little while exactly I'm surprised a memo hasn't gone around like do not do it but it but it's still happens but but then I guess that just shows how how often it happen I read a quote the other day that says police haven't just started shooting back black people police have just started being filmed shooting black people well it's one of those things like watching the show Cops watching the Australian version is very different to watching the American version yeah you watch the american one the guns are out from the second there's a there's a call and all that in Australia like get guys walking up like what's going on here cultural I think it's like like you said it's a gun culture where anybody could have a gun so you just need to get on top of things

kind of well Australian have guns but they're not allowed to use them I wouldn't want to be a cop here man [ __ ] hell that's the thing in America there's a good chance that the person you're pulled over they could have a gun that's why that's why tensions are already [ __ ] yeah yeah exactly whereas in Australia cop yeah you don't really have to go for your gun as much because well you can get guns here it's not as easy cuz I do think like if you're a cop and someone's [ __ ] doing something and you suspect they're going to get violent with you what are you supposed to do like I'm just I wouldn't want to be no you're right I'm glad I'm not a cop too I'm glad I'm not a cop uh some reform that's already started happening uh around the world uh a

couple of recastings the uh the white guy who plays Cleveland in uh yes Family Guy and Cleveland show has stepped down uh H gazaria has stepped down from playing upu which I think happened already but that's uh yeah he did it a little while there's document about the problem with a pooo right and then y the uh the Archbishop of Canterbury came out this week and admitted for the first time in the history of the church that maybe Jesus wasn't white and that they can think about having different nationalities possibly even a middle eastern depiction of Jesus so that's good Oh you mean like the the the way that he would have actually might have actually been yeah yeah yeah just yeah I say yeah I'm being careful because don't know whether he really existed or not

but um but if he did he he was the Middle Eastern certainly if we know anything about him it's that he was he was from the mid unless unless it really was a miracle and uh a one [ __ ] you think there'd be a a mention of that right because actually that that point in the Bible immaculate conception could look like anything when they're in the Olive Grove of and the centurions arrive to arrest him and and they say which one is he and and Judas has to point him out by kissing him but which I never really understood he he could have just pointed and said that's him there but if one guy was just ly white he probably could have just been like it's the white Jesus look like Kuno the [ __ ] does Jesus care yeah he not white no not white so on

that same note L'Oreal the Cosmetics uh company have decided to remove the word whitening as a plus from all of their uh creams do you remember that stuff they sold over at the Zam Zam Market in Orbin the the MH whitening everywhere here skin Whitener everywhere here yeah really that was weird people here never seen that before I saw I saw it in this on the shelf and I picked it up and I'm like well that can't be what I what it sounds like I'm I'm just projecting some weird thing where I think everything's funny and then I'm looking at it reading it I'm like no this this is like they sell that and it's it's less to do with wanting to look like a white person and it's more to do with their cast system of oh in India in the Middle East basically there's this hierarchy

depending on how dark you are and they kind of filters down here too and people stay out of the sun here because they don't want to tan everyone's desperately trying to avoid tanning over here um because they want to be as pale as possible which is the opposite of Australia but we grew up with people trying to be you know they're getting here as well yeah which yeah snail serum apparently is the best skin whitening you you everywhere here every shop cosmetic shop you go I've heard of that yeah I don't need it no no we don't no one needs it nobody needs it be whatever color you are and let's stop beating each other up about it yeah I couldn't get any wider I don't mean that

as a flex I'm just saying you're quite white I um I was told once by a little girl uh that I was actually Peach oh sure we we did a shoot where we had kids and um and one of them was looking at me she was a m girl and so she was very dark and she was kind of looking at me scrutinizing me then ran off to her bag where she was playing with crayons and she like went through them until she found the exact right one and ran back to me and said this is the color you are and it was Peach that's funny yeah adorable the uh the other there's another show that got episodes pulled uh and I thought quite a few actually this

is interesting well this is little different um South Park on HBO Max but somebody noticed that there are five episodes missing and they are the episodes that feature Muhammad mate I'm I'm surprised only five South Parks have gone well that's it's only those ones apparently so I was like that's interesting uh I mean obviously we can all we can all we know why they don't like it when you depict the The Profit well I guess just a weird thing to to concede at this point I I think the difference there is all the jokes cuz South Park are famous for making fun of anybody and everybody so they say this we don't just hate this one class or this one race or this one social group we will make fun of anything that we think is funny um got away with fun of

the race or the social group they're making fun of well sometimes they do well yeah but they're also making fun of how they're trying to be clever about it and often they are speak but sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't don't make jokes about how you can't depict Muhammad they just depict Muhammad so they just don't give a [ __ ] yeah so it's it's not it's not that they've made a joke about oh isn't it funny you I mean they they have but they've done it by just being like here's Muhammad so I I can understand why that is slightly different than just you know like animating the you know the zenu myth and saying this is what scientologists actually think it feels like it is more of a middle finger comedy podcast Luke I've got some comedy for

you um okay Luke you've you if you're you're nothing if not an ideas man right mhm um I would go as far as saying an inventor of sorts you haven't actually invented anything but you no I come up with the ideas and someone else hands but you you've come up with some great ideas and I've got a new challenge for you know you you wanted that controller that you control with your dick and you know we actually had some pretty good Des for that sent in um there's another competition not done by us this one's done by NASA and uh nassa uh are going to put people on the moon uh they're going to they're going to keep them up there actually for for a little while do it again they're going to live up there and um and they're they're going to need to

uh use the facilities except there ain't no facilities so I think they're overco complicating this just go wh everywh you want mate it's the moon you don't got some gravity find aat some gravity exactly you don't you're not going to have the plumbing and everything set up just get a bucket away you go mhm you fill it up then you take it outside and you recycle it or whatever you're going to do with it you take it outside and you and you throw it and it slowly floats away look Luke into space these These are the answers they want this is the exact kind of conversations they're having with each other right now and they are willing to pay $35,000 of prize money to the person who comes up with the best way management proposal for the moon and I'm not being

I'm not being silly by saying I think they're over complicated cuz n have been known to do this before remember when they had to design a pen that would work in space and then they asked the Russians what they did they went we just Ed a pencil yeah yeah they're doing the same thing here they're trying they've got a very simple problem that they're over complicating you think they're going to solve they're going to go out with this toilet and someone's going to go what do you think of that Russia and Russia's going to be like we just [ __ ] in a bucket throw it into space like it it really depends on how long they're going to be there we don't eat while we're up there mate we just hold it in yeah wait how do they poop now in okay so they do have toilets in the

shuttles use those no they they're saying okay let me find the quote let me find the quote find that okay our astronauts accomplish amazing feats of Science and exploration but at the end of the daying when you when you play this back can you put something from the soundtrack of like Apollo 13 or something behind this yeah and just enough just a little bit so we don't get sued yeah but at the end of the day they're still human and we need to we need to provide we need to surprise them I was about to say we need to provide them with the same Necessities as here on Earth so that they can continue to do their job that's actually not the quote I'm looking for where's the where's the quote that says the Luna L challenge yes that's what it's called

seeks novel Design Concepts for low mass compact toilets that can reduce the current state-ofthe-art toilet mass by more than half from 54 kg to 31 kg and reduce the volume by 70% okay so they want to make them lighter and smaller hell lights a bucket basically the ones on the shuttle can fill up and it doesn't really matter the ones that they're actually going to have you can stack buckets inside each other yeah empty your bucket everyone's in charge of their own bucket it's got your name written on it in feces so we know who's pooped who isn't that a subplot from the Martian yeah in in the Martian they poop and it goes into these little bags and they use it as fertilizer I think there you go 35 you want $35,000 Grant to develop that

you go right we is going to sue me they've already Nam that's what they've already named this emus astronauts right that was the name of his book about the space John bucket's going to going to sue Luke his Andy we's book about the moon was uh called Artemis so they've named it after him but they haven't read the [ __ ] first book he wrote where they poop into little bags poop in a bag there you go so I think it's easier to poop into a bucket though I've seen what happens when they accidentally try to open a juice box and it tears so I think that these toilets need to be Precision you know what I mean well there is some gravity on the moon isn't there yeah you're right you're right this is not zero yeah yeah yeah you just and then so so

you got a bucket you got a little toilet seat on top of it you sit on it then you got a little you got a little uh piece of plastic that sits on that that you slide out you do your business before you stand up you do a bit of a wi wait so it's the piece of plastic that you slide at it's kind of like the crumbs tray on a toaster exactly like that so okay you slide that out you do you do your and then you slide that back and then you stand up then where do you slide it back to just over the top so this is just like a little tray that goes over the top of the oh it's just a covering actually so what you're describing is like one of those oldfashioned portable ashtrays oh d by $35,000 look listeners if you've got an

idea that you want to vet before you send directly to NASA send them into us first we'll read them out here on the podcast and we'll see if we can get a bit of a community going of of just uh crazy ways that we could impress NASA that space poop yeah speaking of space I went back and I watched the science fiction movie this week that we had discussed on last week's show oh very briefly we discussed the movie Interstellar like Christopher Nolan just by way of mentioning that you and I Matt had not really liked it despite really enjoying all of Christopher Nolan's films and and his philosophies in general like bits of it and Luke you hadn't seen it at all right no still haven't yeah I went ahead and watched it again because I just couldn't get it out

of my head and I must say all the criticisms I had of it the first time are still there they're still there it's not that I notice new things and I'm like oh I was wrong about that I was wrong about this there is still a lot to pick apart but when I watched it without the expectation that it might be the greatest movie I've ever seen which is certainly how I went into it um I really did enjoy this and I think the problem is we are far harder on Christopher Nolan than we would be on any other director especially of Science Fiction you know sure like sci-fi people pull [ __ ] out of their ass and being like yeah this is just how [ __ ] lightsaber works and and we don't just go hold on doesn't light continue forever how does it stop is it feeding

back on itself like but every little thing of interstella we were just like well I don't think that had happen like that I don't think there is a Fifth Dimension and I don't think it I don't none of that stuff bothered me the thing that bothered me was the well the main thing was that um the I mean spoilers that in the end it was love no well yeah what that's that was the only thing where it was like it was all this science and all this weird stuff and Fifth Dimension stuff and then but it's just communicated through love if like I I was okay with the ending it was an haway monologue about the Transcendent Power of Love that I think ruined it and I think if you just removed that completely out of it and

kept the ending the same you wouldn't naturally make that assumption that like oh love is what's connected him that's why he's able to communicate with us yeah you would have just gone okay this was a significant moment in his life and therefore he is in a feedback loop on that moment while he's in that Fifth Dimension because if if time was like space and you could go anywhere in it places exist even when you're not there therefore times exist even when you're not there so he could be in a kind of feedback loop of just a significant moment between him and his daughter if Anne haway hadn't ruined it by just going no love is an actual Force it's an element you're like no it's not it's not it's not and the guy you love is dead sorry spoilers but when you get there

he's dead I started to say spoilers when you were talking about about The Fifth Dimension and time you know existing you know like M like space and and I was like no one's going to know they haven't seen the film that's not going to look even if you have seen the film and you actually know a little bit about [ __ ] theoretical physics it's still not a spoiler because it doesn't make any [ __ ] sense look I'll watch it again I do want to should I did like it I just just like I said that that bit at the end soured me on it and it made me kind of reflect badly on the stuff that came before cuz I was like really that's where he was going with all that yeah I I I felt the same H but I didn't feel it so much this time I felt like the only thing that really stood out to just be

needing to be removed from the film with an Hathaway but I feel L about her roles in mosts was one of the main characters I great music some stuff I like it out the way sometimes I could take her a lever I don't I don't hate her like everyone else does and she was I think she she was good in um a good Catwoman she was the actually the best thing about [ __ ] Tim Burton Alison Wonderland I think oh yeah I skipped that garbage she was the best thing you know I was thinking about Edward Scissor Hands the other day right do you remember do you remember when Tim Burton was one of the best directors there was and Johnny Depp was one of the best actors there is mate I remember I've talked about this infinite times on the

show I saw Batman at the [ __ ] movies Tim Burton's Batman in 1989 or whatever and I was like that is the greatest film I've ever seen M and then from that I watched a behind the scenes thing on TV and it was like this is Tim Burton he's the director and I was like I oh I want to be a director and then it was like this is Danny Elfman he wrote the music and I was like okay no I want to do that and then it was like this is Michael ke he like well I want to do that and I was just like I just want to I want to be movies I remember going to see that movies and people getting up and walking out wow so weird but then and then Edward siss hands came out and I was like I have to see everything that this Tim Burton person does thing is too is Tim Burton is a great example of

teaching you what a director is because you're like man all of these films there's something about them they're all a bit dark they're a bit twisted they're a bit quirky it's like a thread is there like a crazy mind behind all this and then you see this Dark Twisted quirky dude and it's like I'm the director and you're like okay now I know what a director is yeah this dude with [ __ ] crazy hair wearing sunglasses in the middle of the night but justar J just such a joke and so did Johnny de there's this new film outcoming soon that I uh it's called high high ground and it's uh it's like this it's about Obi-Wan and Anakin yeah sorry I'm actually I'm mixing up two stories it's not called high ground it's uh a [ __ ] I can't remember the name of it it's got Robert

patons in it as well and it looks very good but it's got Johnny Depp wearing weird sunglasses and a weird haircut doing a weird voice I like what is that what is that doing there that's what he is that's what he does now yeah sorry High Ground is is another film an Australian film that's coming out which actually looks very good Jack Thompson and uh it's got uh Simon Baker in it as well but if you look at the trailer on it's it's like about Aboriginal uh genocides back in the colonial days and all this stuff but all the comments under it are I wonder who you and McGregor plays like it's just all Anakin Anakin stuff I have The High Ground oh well we'll stop then underestimate my power what a

performance the thing is though right in movies we often like we pick on we pick on moments like that oh okay well he didn't fight anymore because [ __ ] obiwan had The High Ground what does that even [ __ ] mean but like it was only because of the execution of that that made that really [ __ ] I remember when we were making the tail job we were doing a car crash right a car chase and we wanted to know how do you end a car chase and the best car chase that we could think of in any mov Brian and I could come up with was Raiders Of The Last Arc when he [ __ ] chases that truck at the end the arc on the truck he drives another truck up jumps on it it beats up all the guys in the back gets around beats up the driver and then the the car with the Nazis in

it the the officers follows them right how do they get away so I rewatched it you know how they get away you know how they get away the car skids and the chase Music Stops and the We Got Away music starts and you just know that they got away and that's it that's it right it's all in the execution that's the secret yeah Spielberg genius we're probably pushing on the hour but we we did have a couple of celebrity deaths last week that it's going to be old news if we don't mention them yeah and this one it's a shame we missed this last week cuz this was sort of breaking as we were recording and we sort of Jo Joel schumacker yeah Gonzo famous for Batman yeah but here's the thing right because Joel Schumacher gets a lot

of [ __ ] because he made arguably the worst Batman movies ever made ever they're awful they're [ __ ] awful and um I watched some clips online the other day of the ones that he did I remember Batman and Robin being bad but in my head Batman Forever was actually not too bad uh it's not [ __ ] great sorry it's [ __ ] awful like it's yeah [ __ ] that was the first one to have for him to have nipples wasn't it yes yeah and she touches him yeah Chase Meridian she touch Kidman yeah no it's awful but I just like to remind people that Joel Schumaker has made some really really good movies too oh yeah albe it a long time ago St Elmo fire was his first film and it's a classic followed that up with the Lost Boys which is also a classic then a couple of years later he made a

film that I saw when it first came out scared the [ __ ] out of me and I never watched it again until today when I decided to give flatliners another look and I've got to say flatliners yeah and it's fantastic and you should go back and watch this there's been a remake ignore it right just generic movie number 72 the original flatliners great concept and just beautifully executed for STS it happens in some kind of post-apocalyptic world I mean they don't say that it's supposed to just be the world but the way it's art directed everything's got scaffolding on it every vent's got smoke coming out of it everything's got a red backlight on it everything's derel you don't know if something's about to is

halfway being constructed or halfway to be torn down um their medical school is in an old dilapitated church just because of the symbolism of Surgeons playing God you know there's statues everywhere it's like really cool you know the last time I saw that I probably was I would have been a young teenager mhm and so I probably yeah I feel like too probably would have missed a lot of what it was like I enjoyed it back then but I probably didn't understand it as much as I would now so maybe I should go back and watch that one I seem to recall seeing trailers for it at some point at at the theater I don't recall when I actually watched it but uh Kei the suin right y yes oh it's the whole whole Brat Pack ke for southernland yeah that's um Julia Roberts in one of her

earliest roles oh and uh what's the guy with the weird Pig noose from the 80s you know Pig noos Kevin Bacon Kevin Bacon come on he's got a he's a good actor but he's got a weird pck his name's bacon you know what's funny too like I was on a little bit of a kick this week of watching either movies I had never seen from that period late 80s early 90s or movies that I had seen and had no memory of and there was another one I watched that I actually don't think I had seen at all single white female now I'm sure you're familiar with this movie right that's the Madonna one isn't it no no no no that's body of evidence single white female is Bridget Fonda and uh right Jennifer Jason Lee right now I hadn't seen this before but I was very

familiar or I thought I was with the plot when I say single white female I'm trying to think of what it's about it's an advertisement for a for a like a lodger or something for for a roommate yeah housemate yeah yeah yeah yeah but if if somebody said to you like oh somebody's pulling a single white female on me oh like a uh identity theft yeah right that's what I've always thought it's not no she dresses up like her it doesn't her hair like and all of that stuff because she wants to be her twin sister she had a twin sister who died and she tries to make other women her twin and I was like H [ __ ] 35 years everyone's been like single white female's identity theft it's not it's it's just not right good movie though

that's another one where it's just like it's supposed to be just be New York but it's like everything's got a backlight on it and you know everything's got creepy Shadows yeah I love the way they made movies back then I watched Razer back too during the during the week Russell M's you seen Razer back the pig movie that's the pig one yeah yeah killer Pig yeah yeah I know is that the guy from The Howling no no I don't who's the guy from The Howling 3 who's like in the scene you're being raped by monsters oh who was that guy um yes oh [ __ ] what is his name you're being gang raped by monsters yeah he's like a director yeah ah anyway doesn't matter doesn't matter I know I know who you mean though a Hing three but at the end of that Joel

Schumaker geek of the week well we've got another potential geek of the week Ian Holm yeah so I mean how do you feel about Ian Hol Luke what do I know of Ian Hol oh for [ __ ] sake come on you know Ian Holm he's ash from Alien he's um Bilbo from Lord of the Rings I think Lord of the Rings you like alien though I like alien though I actually started watching that the other day imagine [ __ ] everything imagine him drowning in milk that's how he died that's that's how he went that's how he wanted to go God he's been a lot of stuff he was the surgeon in from Hell who was Jack the Ripper spoilers spoilers for that movie that comic and that conspiracy theory yeah exactly he was basically in every movie just not a m not the main character in

yeah he's been in everything since 1957 yeah Jesus including a lot of uh beloved franchises I I I tried I bought what I thought was the trade paperback of from Hell A couple of years ago I found out online I was like [ __ ] this is cheap I'm snapping this up and then issue one arrived at my house I was like oh oh no I've got I know how I can miss it it's [ __ ] huge um it's there somewhere so you you choose Joel schumacker over Ian Hall well we're alled to surprises me actually are we allowed to have more G GE awakes and GE of the week it's GE of the week well I don't know M you make the rules yeah see I don't know he's sort of losing me with the whole Lord of the Ring stuff not a geek not enough of a geek because he was in Lord with the

Rings yeah he's not a geek he's more of a nerd to be [Laughter] honest but then he I no he he can be geek of the week as well okay geek I'll just play the jingle [Music] twice Matt is there like a is there a geekdom word for people that specifically like Tolen and Lord of the Rings that's a good question I'm sure there are there must be a word for that must be a term right middle or something or yeah I don't know not one of them ringos ringos that's a that's a good one I'm definitely not a Ringo I I love I the fellowship not the extended editions because I think

there's a reason all that [ __ ] didn't make it into the cut um there's some good stuff in extended edition and and the second one is maybe even better I thought the third one tape it off and the The Hobbit is garbage yeah I love all all a lot of the Rings films love them The Hobbit agreed garbage I don't it's like a completely different filmmaker made all it's like someone is trying to do a Peter Jackson fan film know what the [ __ ] happened to him I'm still sort of find it weird how it was done to me they would have done their Hobbit first and then that as one movie to sort of test it all out gaug the water if you had to and then you go and make lord of rings and do the three large ones but they just went the other way but decid make the smaller book into

three movies about nothing y because they like money money is good but yeah I would have done it the other way but what do I know I actually also would have thought you might have an easier time convincing a studio to let you make The Hobbit than yeah convincing them to do three backtack Lord of the Rings cuz the hob the hobbit's much more palatable unless the unless the dragon sounds more complicated than what you get in Lord of the Rings an army of how you going to do that yeah I didn't like I didn't like the way they did the Dragon no I didn't like any of the action sequences in the I I'm saying it's [ __ ] ridiculous it's all just like and coincidence like the only reason the dwarves are alive is because they just coincidentally fall into a m

as it goes by it's [ __ ] that whole sequence is but here's the thing there's bad movies out there that don't annoy me this annoys me because it doesn't have to be bad pet Jackson used to be [ __ ] excellent he made excellent films in the same series as these films and now I'm like what are you doing same just make them like them yeah I actually thought I thought maybe it had just been years since I'd seen the Lord of the Rings and maybe I was wrong and maybe they were not as good as I remember and I watched them again cuz they were on Netflix and 5 minutes into Fellowship I'm like no this is a great movie like there's a reason why this was so good yep and the hobbits anyway garbage I I I I watched the first one and that was it third

one's the worst the first Hobbit about lord of rings the third Hobbit is man you haven't even seen schmeel you can't [ __ ] criticize you haven't seen the good who's schmeel exactly schle he's not into Lord of the Rings clearly I I don't get fantasy I really don't I try but it's not for me I need you know where I act out my fantasies in the after party that's all for this week thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed the show if you enjoyed it then please subscribe and items to receive episodes automatically we'll see you next time