PAX East 2026: Game Tank Console, Daggerheart & Crimson Desert AI Art

Recording And now I can start with I hate you, Matt. Yeah, I know. Yeah, you got to go to PAX East. I did very. Jealous again? Yeah, you said my name. Because we keep forgetting to do this. We need to do this. I'm Matt. That's. Luke. I'm Luke, yes. OK, you keep forgetting to do that. It's confusing to people apparently. Apparently we sound the same to people, which fucking baffles me

because I really don't think so, but. I'm shocked by this. Welcome to multiple Nerdgasm, a comedy show about all things nerdy. Yeah, I feel like especially people tell me here, oh, you don't have an accent. It's like, yeah, because that's because I'm talking to you. Actually, we had this conversation with some people I met on the weekend and packs because they didn't notice at first that I had an accent. And then I think too, once it comes up, I think I go, Oh yeah, I do have an accent, mate. Whereas I know that when I'm

over there, I'm picked up having an accent straight away. Yeah, but they don't know where you're from. No. No. No, I get confused. I'm. The same but. Like even when I was in Vietnam, it was like England's I got done for South African. Oh yeah, Yep. There's something wrong. New Zealand. New Zealand. Some New Zealand accents are close, some are not. Though if it's a very thick New Zealand accent I feel like it

should be fucking obvious. Yeah, the only thing you need to check is, is what they call micro anesky and a cooler. That's a cooler. That's a chili bin. Yeah, chili bin. Chili bin and matchbox cars. They call them Dinkies. They call them Dinkies in New Zealand. Dinkies in New Zealand? Yep. There you go. What do you call a drinking fountain? A bubbler. Yeah, see, that wouldn't get you far here though, because in Rhode Island they call them

bubblers too. I didn't realise. No, that yeah, we share that for some reason. Rhode Island. No one else, just Rhode Island. I mean, could be a New England thing. Could be. I don't know what I expect. Well. It's sort of hard because America is so different. Just when it's split up like the yeah different every state you go. Yeah, Australia is a bit too, but not, I feel, not to that degree, no. No, it's.

Wild differences here. Yeah, state to state. It's very funny. But yeah, I did go to PAX. I went to PAX East Ohio. My volume is too loud. I think I'm peeking out. I'm going to turn me down a little bit. Go and. PAX East. Tell me, how was it? It's very good. General vibes. Check dash, I call it that. Maybe I shouldn't say that. Are you a millennial? Yeah, it sounds like I'm trying to be younger than I am. No, no.

OK, I had a nice time. That's not good. That's what you want. Yeah, it's, it feels smaller still. I've said this before. Yeah, it feels smaller than it used to, especially, you know, we used to travel from Australia to the US, which, I mean, you're going to do it again at some point. But yeah, we used to do that often to go to packs until we had our own packs, and then it was kind of slightly less incentive to do that. Yeah. And that was because you had huge games.

Yes, at these events. And that's not so much the case anymore. No, they're sort of gone. I know. Did you have Nintendo there? Nintendo seems the one that's still hanging around. Nintendo was there, They had Super Mario Wonder and two new Pokémon things that I was like, OK, I don't play Pokémon games, but yeah, OK, cool. They're big lines for them. Obviously I'm in the wrong. I just wasn't. Interested. No, it's the same at PAX Australia. The lines are very long for the

Nintendo booths and it's just not for me. Yeah, Super Mario wonder looks good, but I'll just play it. I don't need to yeah preview it, but but like yes, a smaller scale, no Xbox, no PlayStation yeah, not even tiny build this year. OK. Which is Oh no, they've been confused with. Yeah, they've been making an appearance of few of the past. Just packed Australia they've been. Like half the show floor, like a couple of times Blumhouse games with their their biggest thing. I think the Halloween game is

coming out. They had a big thing that looks like the the house the is. It going to be like one of these one the the four type of things. Yeah, it doesn't interest me. No, like I played the Halloween add on for yeah, I played the app packs actually a couple of years ago and it was fun in that it was very cool when the music started yes and he would like walk out from behind something you hope for. That was a cool moment. But the those games in general? Not for me. I played them like once a year and it's because my niece plays them.

And at Christmas time I'll install it and play. It's. Yeah, it's not, it's not for me. I I don't get it. I'm evidently pretty good at it, though. Oh. OK. But I just good not for me, 'cause you're gonna play with people. I. Mean it looks fine like you know yeah I've watched some people play I just didn't I couldn't be you know I I knew it wasn't for me so I was like I'm. Not yeah. The whole thing is you need to

organise, to play with people you know, to really get the most enjoyment out of it. Yes, and we're old and we don't have time for that. No. So not at all. And also, I guess as you get older, you learn like, no, no, no. My tastes are set in stone at this point. I know I'm not gonna like that. So. So I looked, I wandered around, I looked for things that I knew I would enjoy, and I found some I will talk about. Excellent, I made some friends. As I said, shout out in

particular to Echo and DJFCI. Don't know DJFCS real name. I know Echo's real name. I'm not going to say it though, just in case he doesn't want me to do that. Yep. I don't know my new. Friends from Bobo. Bobo is the Boston Online Broadcaster Association. Make sure I say that correctly. And they are like Twitch partners and stuff from the area, roughly the area, Yep. I'm not going to say where exactly they're from. I'm gonna guess. Listen, Boston. That's where we were.

But I was at the Voodoo Ranger booth and what the fuck is going on? Yeah, Voodoo Ranger booth was great, but I So Jenna has been in Romania, as you probably know, don't know. The witnesses know that she was arriving back on Friday. Yeah, I was at PAX already. It's a big ass to go from a trip like that to PAX. She made it most of the time, so we. So I went to PAX on Friday, wandered around, did some stuff, and then I was like, OK, it's getting closer to the time when I've got to go meet her, the station.

So I am. So let's go have a couple of beers at the video Ranger. Yeah. And so I'd stayed by myself and checking my phone, doing things, socials, whatnot. And yeah, they were kind enough to approach me and engage me or Echo in particular came and engaged me in conversation. And then we ended up talking for I don't even know how long. The place was fucking empty. When when we eventually left, we were talking and I turned around and went, oh, there's no one here. That's what I like about PAX. Yeah, yeah.

You can't just strike. Always be good people. Yeah. So anyway, shout to those guys. Yeah, it was awesome meeting you and hope to see you again. Yeah. And check out the Boston Online Broadcasters Association. Boba. Broadcast Boba. Yeah, check out Boba. Check out links in the show Not Yeah Games. Yes. I played some games. Anything interesting? Pax Rising? No, just. Yeah, Pax Rising great had a few

things. I think Noor comes out. Noor is a game I played at PAX Rising that I liked. It's like a Metroidvania style game where you play as a dinosaur. I've leaked it here in the show. Stop the band. That's gua gua. This is Noor. Noor. Coming soon? I thought they said coming very soon but I don't see a date on the steam page. So. I will. I will leave that to them to announce that.

We're not announcing it here first. No, it was very good. It's like, you know, I like these games, the animation and the and the the like. The art style in this is appealing to me. It looks fun. I played it a little bit on the Steam Deck that they had there. Yep. Which was double duty because I got to play a Steam Deck, but I don't get to do that very often. Yeah, it's cool. You're a Dino. It's Metroidvania. You kill enemies and then you eat them.

And then you can when you eat stuff, you can then power up and heal yourself. And also. Yeah, it's got boss fights. Yeah. You know all the things that you. Know it does look very colorful and fun. Yeah, yeah, it's quite like you can see the animation, the animation style, it's very good. It's not like it looks very polished and. Say a little red dinosaur. Yeah, you can play basketball. Yes. I'm just looking at the screenshots.

So yeah, that was a good one. PAX Rising was very small. I don't know if it's always small or it just, I don't know what's going on with me this year. So the other thing is they did a comic about this. They did a strip about it. Penny Arcade do not. They did not do any of the Q&A panels this year. For the first time, they were doing them without Mike. It's just Jerry and and Chris Straub, which was different, but still good because this is funny and it was, you know, it was fun. Mike was there this year.

Well, OK. But they did not do a any Q&A's. They did the make a strip and then that was it. And I thought that was weird and then they but then they did a comic just in the last couple of weeks about how somebody calling 911 saying hello, help, my friend just found out what the P and A in Pakistan for and he's collapsed onto the floor. And they're like, they're on the phone. They're like, what does the PA stand for? And they're 6 penny Arcade. And they're like, you mean that irreverent comic from the 90s and 2000s?

Yes, that's what the the convention was half about when we went. Well, yeah, but yeah, they don't come to Australia anymore. Neither of them. No. Oh, I didn't realise that. Yeah, they haven't. Been it's a long trip. Yeah, it's a long trip and Australia is sort of turned into its own little thing. And I think they are sort of stepping aside because the show, I mean, as we learned, I think Jenna and I and I forget who was with us, learned the year that Markiplier was at PAX. We didn't know who the fuck

Markiplier was, but they didn't know who the fuck Michael Jerry were. So we went to go into the main theatre and there's a huge line and we said, oh, is this the line for the Q&A? And then the guy was like, no, it's the line for Markiplier. You can just. You can head straight on in. Oh. Yes. It's changed a lot. Yeah, Markiplier, because I know he made a movie. Yes, that's why more we're the fools, all right? He's obviously big news now, but yeah, no fucking idea.

I watched the movie. It wasn't. Yeah. It was like a horror movie, right? It was a horror movie, but I think there's a lot of the story missing if you haven't played the game. There's a game, I said. Yes, it's based on a game. I forget what game it's based on. Well, it's probably just the name of the movie, which I can't remember. But yeah, it's Iron Lung. Iron Lung. So yeah, I wasn't quite aware of what I was walking into at all,

what was happening. So it gets it's packs just feels a bit different for that reason, because it's just that's always been a big part of it for me was like, first of all, interacting with those guys because they they walk around a bunch and and just seeing the those panels just because we were big fans of the comic. So I don't know it's. Just. It's just different that that's not a thing anymore, yeah. They're they're not really, it's still got their name. You know, I don't still ever get rid of the name. I think it's going to, it's

still going to be. Called PAX. But like, like the people like the comic says, people don't know why it's called PAX. No, it's just called Pax. Pax. Yeah. So anyway, another game I really like the look of and I will link in the shows again is it's called Another Pint and this is a Tavern Yodi Medieval like role-playing game, Tavern style management game. OK. Where you literally make it's got really in depth character creation where you make your character and then you run and

be build out and run a Tavern in a, you know, role-playing fantasy setting. You can choose like what it looks like and you know, like all the details about, you know, you design your Tavern and then you you run the Tavern like you pour drinks and stuff like that. And this is all at night when everyone's coming in. And then during the day you go out into this kind of smallish world area and do quests and get resources and stuff to improve the Tavern. OK. And it just looks great. Like I really like the visual style of it.

And I just think it's, yeah, it just seems really cool. It reminds me of the Bard, that sort of look. No, not the Bard. 'S tail. Bard's Tail. Yeah, yeah, and also like a better looking version of Balding Gate 2. Yeah, like baldness Gate 3 perhaps? Yes. I don't know. I haven't played it yet, so I've got to go back to what I know. Yeah. No, no, it is. It's like an isometric sort of. So the game, yeah.

But yeah, it's great. It looks really fun. It they are from Bulgaria to Bulgarian development team, which I said, oh, cool. And he said no, not really. And I said, well, it's interesting. It's interesting to me, yes. And I think I've been a game developer from Bulgaria before. So no, I think that would be a first. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was really nice. So yeah, I'm going to check this out. You can Wish. Listed on Steam now. No release date yet.

No. But the discord is up and running. You can join that you can wish this on Steam and they have had via the discord kind of testing weekends where you can check it out. But I don't, I have no, I'm not Privy to any of their plans regarding that in future. So that don't tell them I said you could play it or whatever, but. Tell them. Tell them you can tell. Them. He's not going to give a shit. Yeah, cool game. I liked it.

And what else have we got here? Oh yeah. Have you ever seen this? Right. This is. I was like, baffled by this. Have you ever heard of the Omara scent display? Did they have ever had this at Paxos? I can't say no. So have you ever wanted to smell a game? While you I've I thought this was just one of those things that AI made-up that was like. No, this is real. I've seen it. I've seen it. Oh God.

So this is interesting. So we were a little disappointed because I feel like the version of this that I would want is not quite what this is. It's cool. Anyway, so this is literally a device. If you click through, you'll see it. That thing, that thing with the green looking eyes on it. Yep, that's a device. And you put it on a stand like this mic. It sits here in front of you. And then? And the way it works currently is it's got room for, I think he said.

Six cartridges maybe might be more than that. I think it's at least 6 cent like smells in it. OK. As you're playing the game, it can release. Smell. So when you walk into a forest, it'll sort of give you a forest. No, no, you. All you could do that, that's what I want. I want ambient smell that's what Jenna. The first question Jenna had was like, oh, is it like an ambient thing? And he was like, well, no, actually it's not the way that

it's been implemented in everything so far is that it's part of gameplay. It's. Like a. Gameplay thing, not an ambience thing. So for example, one of the games they had on was a game where you have to smell cups to detect poison. Well, OK. And so the smell indicates what's in the cup kind of thing, which is like, oh, OK, that's not really what I would want. I would more want to be a. Very niche market for like. If I'm playing cyberpunk and I walk into a like a a noodle

restaurant in. Yeah, night. City, I wanna smell the food and the you know, and the beer and the like that's. What I was thinking, Oh, that. 'D be cool. It can't do that. Can't do that. Yeah. Because I think it'd be awesome if like, yeah, you're just walking around and you go from like a forest to snow or something. And that just changed the way. Yeah, you smell like the flowers and the and the. Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, maybe one day.

Yeah, it's still going to be very early technology. Yeah, and it's, I mean, and watching people play it, they like they have to lean into to, to smell and stuff like that. It's, it's cool. Don't get me wrong. It's very impressive and I feel like maybe one day we'll get that kind of stuff that we're talking about. Yeah. It's just that when I first saw it that that was immediately what I thought was that like, I will just smell the environment that I'm in. Yeah, no. No, it's not not that flexible.

There is one thing I'm happy that I won't sell, like the the stench of death or anything. No, because that could make the stench of death less nauseating. And you kind of like, get a sense of it. Like they smell the the sulphur in Diablo. Yeah. And like, yeah. I think yeah, yeah, they're hanging. Around. Flesh, I think that, yeah, this I think is going to be very early on in their development, I would say. I mean, I'd never heard of it. So I guess yeah, we'll see.

Hopefully it's successful and they do get more advanced because I think it's cool. But it's not quite what we want. No, I want for like when we're wandering around Elder Scrolls 6 and we can smell the horse, we're already gone. Yeah, yeah. Or like if I'm playing Dune, you know, if I'm, if I'm out in the desert and I'm mining spice, I can smell them alone. But it'd be very hard and it just. Puts me into a literal trance. It'd be very hard to sort of do it for so many games. Well, that's what that's the thing.

You can, you can. There's like AAI believe I think this is what he said. Don't go. OK, this is off my old man brain. Mm hmm. There's a like a base package of smells. Yeah, right. Or you can work with them to develop. A custom, yeah, but I think that's where it'll need to sort of go towards. Yeah, they get. But there's a limit to how many there can be in there. So it's not you can't just have everything and it and also

they're not like dynamically blended or anything like. Yeah, it's not like it's, yeah, Taking the bit of this bit of that and making that it's no, you get this cartridge is this smell? Yeah, yeah. So far I think for the ambient stuff it's not much, almost, almost not much use. But yeah, but we'll see. For game, For gameplay stuff seems cool. Yeah. Yeah, so that was fun. Interesting. Yeah, I. Haven't seen that before. So I might say that maybe it

might make an appearance at packed Oz. I do know that ticket sales for three day passes are already like 60% gone so. Yeah. Have they announced the dates for taxis next year already? I thought was interesting. Yeah, that. Was quick. Yeah, it's part of the the farewell update, the farewell e-mail. They already had the dates. So next year is the April 22nd to 25th. That's later in the year I. Could go for my birthday. Do it.

Oh, I might. We could go for my birthday. Too late. Yes. Well, I have a think about it. I could meet Echo and I could complain about Voodoo Ranger not having lager. Yeah, yeah, those IPA. So if you don't know listeners, very Ranger make beer, usually Ipas, they maybe make other stuff, but the only stuff they have at this particular booth is Ipas. And traditionally, I've always found that they're very, very, very fucking strong. Like 12% strong as in like, you don't can't.

You can't have too many of these. Yeah. Oh, you mean you shouldn't? They'll sneak up on you very quickly. That's my experience with them anyway. But they had a new flavour, a new beer this year. So I was drinking that and I think the other guys were drinking others, the ones that they've had before that. I was like, Oh yeah, I'll try this new one. So I was drinking that, they're drinking that. And then a certain point I realized I'm I'm a bit less

messy than everybody else. Oh, and I was like, what's going on? So I looked at my can 6 1/2 percent. Oh, a bit hard. What everyone else is drinking? Bastard. You tricked me. Yeah. So that explains it. I'm just, yeah, I, I know, I, I can drink lager. I know that IPA is just. They're too sweet for me I find. Yeah, that's fair. And these are like fruity. Yeah. Like they're they're intentionally like. 1st I'm a

very bitter man. You are a bitter old man. Yes, fuck the world. Yep. So I'll go there and complain about them not having lager and drink something else and drink whatever's there anyway. Yeah, drink exactly whatever's got the highest percentage, because if you're going to choke it down, it might as well get you drunk. Exactly. Another thing that interested me quite a bit is the game Tank. This is a console that this guy just made. It's an 8 bit console, you know, in the style of the Ness.

He he's incredibly nerdy and very smart. He was chatting to him about it. He is fucking into this. So he just was like, I'm just gonna make my own console. And he did. And it's all open source. So you can, if you have the ability, get from GitHub the schematics and files required to make this yourself. You can get this if you can get a circuit board printed. Yep, you know PCB way can do that for you or whatever. You can make one of these yourself. Just go 3D print it and. Yep.

And then he also made the games for it. And so I, as somebody who wanted to be a game developer and has never actually made a game, and who sometimes thinks, oh, I think it'd be cool to make a game from scratch, but that's hard. So I'll probably end up, if I ever make one, I'll probably use Unity or Unreal or something. Yeah, he's gone fucking one step further than I ever would have. He's made the fucking hardware. See, I'm I'm looking at this and these all look like old games that I'm going to guess because I remember like back in the day, like Atari, you'd have the Atari

games, you'd be there. They would run like crap. Sure, but now I played what's the one I played. It was called Ganymede and it was very smooth. Yeah. And that's what I'm thinking. Like it's sort of like an updated version where we'll play quite smooth because we're a lot further along than we were back in those days. Yeah. So if you want one of these things he's doing like a run of them. So then the case is obviously the case is 3D printed the circuit boards made by I don't

know who I'm so I don't know who's printing them, but he's getting the mass. It's it's cheaper to get them done in bulk. So he's doing a run of them, but they are going to be like a couple 100 bucks. Yeah. So for for something like this, I think you've you have to be very into it. You need to be into it, yeah, because you're not going to be getting, you know, AAA games. On a no no basically. The. Support for this is going to come from you and the community. Correct.

This is like a fun thing, so. But I mean, I just think it's incredible that they've done this. Like I Yeah. The sign said game tank home brew console and I was like fuck off. So yeah, no. Yeah, they buy cartridges, put them in play. Yeah, yeah. But it's also just got an emulator in there so you can search download them if you want. I mean, I know it sounds silly to be so like wow about it because obviously people made the, you know, the other all the

consoles that we use. Yeah, but for just one guy, just to correct, I'm going to make this myself. I don't care more. Guy in 2020, whatever when he started this, I just think it's, I think it's such an interesting cool thing to have done is to be, you know what? I'm just going to, from scratch, make a fucking console from the 80s. Yep, you've got the comparison to like the Atari links. Yeah, the Nintendo 2600. So it's. Yeah, yeah, very cool. And he's got the idea with this too, is that he's made SDKS for

various programming languages to make it easier for people to make games for it. So if you know how to program in C, there's AC SDK. If you know Rust, there's a Rust SDK. If you know basic smart. If you know basic, there's a basic one as well. And so you don't need to know how to control the hardware or do any of that. There's libraries for all that, kind of if you know what I'm talking about, fine, but but it's just he's made it quite easy for you to get into. Programming. And he's just done this all by

himself. I think some people help. I don't think. I think for example the Rust SDKI think was written by somebody else. OK, Yep. But so he's had some help. But the majority of it has just been getting the idea and just running with it. Yeah, God, I wish we could do that. Yeah, I know, I know. I don't have time for that. No, I would lose ideas. Yeah, I would definitely lose interest too hard. Yep. Very cool though I don't know

why I'm coloring them in this colour. This is the after party colour, the spreadsheet items. You didn't call me out on that. Oh, I'm not going to. I thought you're trying something new. It's. Not like I'm going to get confused when I put the show notes together. No, because you're going to, you know, nature is going to be mostly packs. I would have got confused when we get to the after party. If you know what the after party is, keep listening. When I went to colour them and I

went, I've already used the colour for the after party. Something else I wanted to mention is I've not seen these guys before. We've seen people have seen things like this before at Jack's. This one caught my attention. This is Guardians MH. This is a mental health awareness organization for gamers specifically. So we've talked about a few of these in the past just because I think these things are very cool, you know, because life's hard, people have concerns and mental health is very important. And the thing that they do that

I thought was very cool is that they give out kits just for free, just for free. It's a kit and it's got resources like, you know, like guides and, and things to help you, but also like, like fidget things because you know, like people with, you know, ADHD or whatever, you know, fidget things are very helpful. I think that's where packed. Australia's done very good with that since it moved to the Melbourne Entertainment Centre. There's basically the second floor, which is for a lot of this stuff that are the Melbourne Exhibition Centre you've.

Been there. Oh, it moved from the racecourse. Racecourse and probably a few years ago they didn't start introducing this. So on the 2nd floor there's sort of like a quiet area, like yeah, come relax. Like it's not us loud, have a chat, still play games, still do that and just try it. Down. Yeah, yeah. I'm just looking out for people's sort of mental health, like take a break. And then it also gives a lot of information about resources and things like that.

Yeah, yeah. I just thought this was really cool that they have these. It's like literally a little pouch and then you could take. I didn't take one because I was like, leave them for people who might need them. I'm interested, but I'm happy to just know what's in there and talk about it. But I just think this is great. So yeah, you can check them out. Links in the show note. Yeah, I just thought it was a really cool, cool thing to do. Yes, Gunning's Mental Health is a non profit mental Health Organization that is focused on spreading mental health

awareness and meaningful resources throughout the gaming space. Yeah, and they have an AI and not an AI. Geez. Not an AI. Oh, thank God. They have an app that is not an AII misspoke there to help you find resources if you're concerned and they connect you to real people. Just the the point my mouth was trying to make when it said the opposite. Because I would I would be very scared in directing someone to with mental health issues to AI. Correct.

Yeah. Don't talk to fucking ChatGPT. No, talk to a talk to a person. Yes. I apologise for my mistake. And it's OK to talk to someone, just don't talk to AI about it. I'm going to blame my ADHD. My mouth started speaking before my brain had put together the words it wanted. Yeah, it's great. And the last thing I wanted to highlight is because I thought this was particularly interesting, Acquisitions Incorporated, another staple of PAX for me, an essential for me. If I go to PAX, I need to go to Acquisitions Incorporated.

I've been doing that since 2011 was the first time I went. God, this website is old. I've been going to back positions incorporated since 2011 when Will Wheaton was still part of it. It's Will Wheaton, Scott Kurtz, Mike and Jerry. You know Chris Perkins was the DM Chris Perkins was the DM again today. OK. I was happy to see. I love Chris. Different though now because they don't play DND anymore. No, because DND tried to take a lot of money from them. So for those who don't know,

Chris Perkins and Jeremy Crawford, the two DMS who usually run Acquisitions Inc, used to just be Chris Perkins. And then he stepped down. Jeremy Crawford took over, and then Chris Perkins kind of came back a bit because they both left Wizards of the Coast, Jeremy and Chris, and they have now joined the, was it Darington Press. They're basically in charge of Daggerhart, which is a new gaming system developed by a bunch of people, including Matthew Mercer. Oh, people will know he's the DM from Critical Role. Everybody fucking knows him.

Everyone knows him, like I don't watch it but I know who he is still. So he was playing at this Acquisition Incorporated game, which I was like, oh, that's going to be good because he's fucking great. He's literally an actor, like, yeah, he. Yeah, so. He brings it to life. Yes, he's an excellent addition to the show because they're all very good performance, but they're playing Daggerheart and I've never seen Daggerheart. I know what it is. I've heard of it, but I've never played it and I've never seen

it. And so this was particularly interesting. It's very different, especially the way they, I don't know whether they were doing it a particular way. Maybe this is just how it is. It's very different. It's very player centric in that, as I understand it, I've read the full rules, I skimmed the rules and I I observed the game. It seems like the DM only does that. You have like fear points on the top of the DM screen. Chris had, he has to spend those to do stuff.

He moves the story along like when you're in battle, he spends those to to do things. You don't have initiative, you don't have like an order, a turn order. Yep. You just, everybody just kind of does something during a round of combat. And as I understand it in the rules, it can either be left to you to figure it out, like if you're all kind of able to do that, or if you're not. If you have someone who's particularly introverted or you have somebody who's too extroverted, you can do it a way where you have 3 action points

per round. Yeah, you can do three things. So you can either leave it open as long as everybody's reasonable. Or you can control it. So I wonder if it's because I had to sort of make it different as a certain degree from D and. DI think it could be that could be that yes and also you roll D 10s or. Twelves. And you roll 2 and one of them is hope and one of them is fear. And so the scenario I, I don't fully understand the rules around that yet, but when you make a role, you will succeed or fail with hope or with fear.

So it changes things based on that aspect. Because didn't has Russia screw up everything they had? I got really mad at them for a while. There was like AI art going into the books and there was just. Books and alpha, they were wanting to start charging people hell of a lot more than they wanted and they wanted to also back pay and and. All the other thing is Critical Role has been such a fucking huge hit and the way they play is different because they are all actors and improvisers. And so I think this is attempt to make it more like their

version of DND. Because when you, the memes about this and videos, if you watch Critical Role and you've, you don't know anything about DND, you watch Critical Role and you've got, you're going to play DND and then you show up to your local game store, you're going to be disappointed. Yes. That's not what it's like, no, because we're not all professional fucking actors. No but but I had critical DM did a lot of people interested in doing it. Yeah, exactly. And that's what they want. So I think this is maybe an

attempt to try and make it more like that, where it's more like like he instead, you know, in D&D, for example, Chris Perkins in particular, right, the, I would say a previous acquisition to the corporate, again, they'll be in a fight and he would say the the monster does this, the monster does that. It actually does this. In Daggerheart it was more of a OK, you're fighting this thing, what does it do? Taco. Kind of it's more player agency as to telling the story, which I think is cool, but it's different. It feels very different.

Like the whole thing. I found that it was almost a little confusing versus a normal acquisitions in game because I had to spend more time processing what are the how does this work? Whereas normally I just watch it and I know the rules. So it's just I could just enjoy the funny, you know? Whereas with this I was kind of trying to process what the fuck are they doing. But it was very enjoyable. Still really loved it. Daggerheart is interesting. I don't know if it's for me, but I don't know if that's just because I'm so used to DND.

I left it thinking, oh I don't know about this, but then. But there's so many different versions these days that you can play. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I know. And I mean they don't play strict. No. Either, you know, acquisitions. Because I I also think if you're playing strict rules, it's I think takes the fun out of it a little bit. And also, I guess at its heart, Acquisitions Inc is just a comedy show. Yes, Like it's not.

I don't think I can play absolute serious Dragons. Dragons. No, exactly. Yeah, no, I always play well. I mean, I have done, but I yeah, it's always a bit goofy, especially with us. If you want to listen to was it a Star Wars one? No, it was. Was it the horror one? I do. You guys spent half the fucking episode trying to get a chicken loaf sandwich. That was great, whatever that was. Space shift or something? I think it, yeah, I think.

It was the horror one I did, yeah. And I was expecting there was a goo and I was expecting you guys to avoid the goo. And Dan was like, I eat the goo, for fuck's sake. So yeah, anyway, yeah, I'll link the dagger heart if you're interested. I think it's cool, I just don't know. If it's cool for you. Yeah, it's tough to say. Oh, Gearbox panel was on Thursday. I wasn't there. I've since looked it up. I don't, I didn't see, maybe I'm wrong on this.

Maybe I didn't give it enough a chance. Not a huge number of announcements. And I don't actually even know if Randy was there. Well, they've got nothing sort of out. Well, they've got they're lasers. There's a DLC? For Yeah 4, No, he was there. He was there. Nothing. Nothing amazing. Was he there? Maybe he wasn't there. He works official as I hear everybody Anytime man is available now.

Yeah, I don't know that is that. Strange for him not to be there getting up on stage doing his magic trick. Hang on a minute, I'm going to go to YouTube and Fact Check myself because I might be wrong about this. Oh God I can't get to normal YouTube because I'm too used to uploading stuff to our channel. But I'm having a look and I can't actually see like there's no big announcements that I can see that nothing like. That 2026 so there's a so there's a new expansion DLC for. Borderlands. Borderlands 4 and there's a new vault hunter because of that.

I'm just getting through, I don't think Yeah, no, no. Randy Pitchford. Yeah, so. Yeah, Borderlands 4 was not that good. That's what I heard. I haven't even played it. Yeah, I. Honestly. Priceless. And I was like, I'm not hearing great things about it. Yeah, I honestly think it was a a rush because of how badly the movie did to. We need to get something else to, yeah. That's a shame. Yeah, the new Volt Hunter looks

cool. He's like a cowboy robot. I. Think it looks cool? Well, Mike gives that a try because yeah, even the hero heroes that I had, none of them interested me. Yeah. Is it cheaper now? Borderlands 4? I would like to play it. Jenna and I always play these Co-op. Yeah, so. Because they are a fun Co-op game. But. I don't know how we're going to manage that these days, but.

We've got to play three person Co-op and. Xbox series X digital code 50 bucks that's not so bad, but anyway. It'll be on sale soon. Yeah. I would like mid year sales. But I was so at first I was disappointed I didn't go to the Gearbox panel. But just because Randy's janky magic tricks always entertain me. Yes, sometimes they go off really smoothly. Sometimes they. They fun though. Sometimes it's just funny, like last year, but it seems like he

wasn't there so. No, so he didn't miss. No. No, no. So that, I think is everything. That's the main big stuff to jump out to you for Packs East this year. Yes, really enjoyed it. Lots of oh, oh, the one of the things that was interesting Red Bull had a Tavern on the show floor, like a fake Tavern that they'd set up, which is cool with like torches and stuff like that. And it was basically like, so last year they had like a content creator only area where you could go in and they had

these drinks that you could get where they basically they had like coolers full of different juice blends and stuff. And then you would say, I want the, I don't know, the this year it was like potions. So you say I want the potion of vitality. And what they do is they give you one of the flavoured Red Bulls. You know, Red Bull comes in all flavours now. Yep, paired with some juice mix. And it's kind of like a, a drink that they give you. And yeah, they're, they're all right. It was all free.

Yep. So like, you know, that's pretty cool. And they had a bunch of events going on. You could get prizes you get you get given a character sheet, you can choose your class. You could be a wizard, rogue or fighter. And then you had quests to do around inside the Tavern. OK, that would have been fun. Yeah, it was. It was very cool, very cool set up. And that's just the middle of the floor. Middle of the show floor, you just go on in and you can play

open board game, playing tables with games you could borrow and stuff. And they were doing demos of new games and and stuff like that. It was it was very cool. Yeah. But on Sunday, which is always the quietest day at PAX, yes. And we're thinking. One, that was this Family Day. On Sunday when we went there, because we popped in there every morning to get a Red Bull because why not? It's free. Yeah, Sunday they didn't have any of the mixer stuff left. And then the woman, we go up to the front and the woman goes

just Red Bull today. Here you go. And like handed us cans of Red Bull and Jenna was like, wouldn't you like, like kind of portion that out for the days because people paid for a Sunday pass? Like it's kind of weird. Because it's four days. Oh no, it starts on Thursday, doesn't it? Yeah, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Say, wouldn't you allocate a number of those things? To sort of hold off 'cause like Sunday is just. A little weird to say fuck you people on Sunday we've given.

At least the the Family Day where it's the quieter and you are getting a new group of people coming through. It's not just the same people coming in to get your free Red Bull like you got every day like you were. Yeah, alright, alright. No, I just, I was like, yeah, good point. Like, wouldn't you wanna make sure you had some? I don't know what the days with the pins and stuff they will hold off selling them because some. People only buy a Sunday pass, yes, You know, it's hard to get away sometimes for yes, like in

a number of days you can only go one day, Sunday. It's actually, I think a good day to go apart from things like that where they've run out of. Everything. Yeah, I think everything exactly. So I don't know. I just, yeah, Jenna was like, because she used to work for Dells, like when she was young doing the fairs and stuff like that. And so she was like, she's like, I can't believe they haven't got fucking. And I'm like, all right, all right. You you did get 2 days in a row.

Yeah, she just knows what to do. But other than that, it was actually a cool little booth. Yeah. Interested to see what I get at Paxos this year. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm not going to make it unfortunately, but I would like to at some point get down there again. Yeah, as I said, I might try and make packs for my birthday. All right, do it. See what? Happens, yeah. Come stay here for a bit too if you want. You don't have to, but you. Can stay in my bedroom.

Yeah, Dan. Yeah. AKA the basement. Yep. So what else have we got? We've got a fair bit that's still been happening this week. Yeah, I'm not sure we even have time to get through all this. Because no. But well, one of the things we did worth talking about last week was Arnie and then you Conan, and it looks like he's back in training for. It so it's. Happening. I didn't know the extent of this, though. He's had a lot of health issues.

I didn't know that. Not specifically, apparently because of the fact that he was, you know, a bodybuilder or anything like that. Just kind of genetic concerns from his family history or whatever. He's had a bunch of open heart surgery. Oh God, yeah. I'll say oh, fuck. OK. That's pretty intense. Multiple open heart surgeries over the past 30 years. He's also had a hip replacement and assorted joint issues. I was like, oh, that's open. Heart surgeries over the last 30

years. Oh my God, that's. Yeah, I know, right? I didn't know that. So I'm glad he's all right. And he's apparently training now, because obviously he's gonna want to be. He's gonna have to. You're gonna be looking the part 'cause he's he's sized down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's gonna have, he's not gonna have like the six pack AB or anything. I think he's gonna have like the gut. He's gonna look like a large old man. Yes, yeah, he's gonna, he's

gonna work on his arms. I think he's gonna work on his glamour muscles through his arms. Yeah. But if you look at most strong men competitions, they don't have a six pack or anything. No, no, no. No, it's about actual power. Not power. Not looking good for other men, Yeah. Yeah, 'cause women don't give a shit. No. They do to a degree, but after a certain point they do not. Yes, men do. Yeah, you're right.

So I'm happy that this is actually gonna happen. Yeah, King Conan is called, I believe. Yep. Oh, tentatively called. Yeah, because I know he'd sort of mentioned it, but he'd also, there was also talk of commando and stuff, and I'm sort of like that. Too another Terminator. And another predator and I'll go. This is getting a bit crazy. Yeah. I mean, I don't need all of that. Yeah, yeah, I think, he said. Holly, Hollywood, Hollywood's

cut. Arnie Fever. They want to mean everything. But no, I can't see like a 1778 year old man playing commando again. Speaking of Speaking of muscle men, Yep. You've seen The Rock. Yes, late, I'm sure we've talked about this before. And Dave Batista sized down as well. Yeah, but did you see the Moana trailer? No. So the the have a look at what the rock looks like in the live action Moana, he's doing the rock playing the role of Maui

again. And my favorite thing that came out of this was Weird Al tweeting saying, look, I've told everybody we're not doing the biopic anymore, but they keep sending me headshots because if you look at what the rock looks like, it's insane. The Rock all. Right. And then I'm just skipping across. Yeah, just look at the picture. Oh my God. It's like, what are they doing? It's just so odd. Yes, yeah, it's very odd. See, I've never seen Moana and I have no interest in a live

action movie so. No, so I watched the live action Lilo and Stitch. I know I talked about this already, and it was just so disappointing that I'm like, no, you know what? Fuck all these stupid versions. Yeah. Just don't understand when I keep going to make a live action of everything they've ever done, even recently. But they just decided they're doing it now. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, Exactly. The movie that came out last year, it's still a live action

version of that. Yeah. I don't know. We've got also what was I going to talk about? Oh, the AO Neo, right. You've got one these, right? Or I I've still got 1. I don't use it at all anymore. But what is the one that you have? It was the AO Neo next. OK, OK, perfect. Right. They announced not long ago the AO Neo next too. And looking at it, it looks very nice. Well looking at it is all you can do because it has been

cancelled because they. Can't afford to make it. Because of AI, Yeah, they said basically they had to GoFundMe. GoFundMe. Not GoFundMe. That's the charity one. Indiegogo. Indiegogo. That's the word I'm looking for. Indiegogo for it. They were taking orders and all that kind of stuff and then they had to cancel it because they said that basically it now is going to cost double, approaching twice the price we originally set. Under such circumstances, continuing to sell this product

is no longer sustainable. Cancelled. It is not happening. And that's why I'm sort of interested to see what's actually going to happen with like the new Xbox and new PlayStation. Like what price point are you going to come in at? Because if AI is just taking everything and they can't keep up. It's like it's, it's ridiculous, like. And it seems to be new AI every day for a new thing. Actually one just disappeared. Aura disappeared. Aura, Aura.

There's a Disney one for making videos. Oh, Sora, Sora, Sora. Yeah, sorry. OK, yeah, yeah, that Chat GPTS video thing. Yeah, they've shut that down. Yeah, I did. They say why they shut that down. I don't. I know that they did. For me, in my head, it's just they're getting to the point where this is costing us a lot of money, but we're not making anything. Yeah, so is the one I used to make those videos of you. But yeah, I think I'm arrested.

I think a lot of them are just at that point where we need to start recouping money because I think you see billions into it. Yeah, but they got videos of me being arrested. Yeah, tackled by police on a bridge. Yeah. I just, I don't know this. People keep saying, oh, the bubble's going to burst, and it just doesn't. It's just they just keep going and going so. And the prices keep going up. Yeah, it's crazy. Everything just keeps going up at the moment. Yes.

So that's disappointing for those who were looking forward to those consoles are very impressive. Yes, but look, get the LAX, even though that's just jumped up in price, $200. Well, the same thing Deck is is they can't make some of the Steam Decks anymore, correct. I thought, yeah, out of everything's out of stock. I cannot buy a Steam Deck right now because they just can't get the I believe it's because they can't get the RAM for a reasonable price and the Steam Machine is delayed potentially because of it now too, or the price is going to be too higher.

It's like, yeah, it's a bummer. OK, just for the the average user. Now it's just not going to be affordable to get a console, which is the whole idea of like the the Steam Deck, the Steam Box, the new PlayStation, everything was like having an affordable entry point you. Know you should just do what I do and play on GeForce cloud. Yes. This episode sponsored by No, they're not sponsors if they want to sponsor US. Yeah, they can. Yeah, give me a free account. Yeah, that's what I think. Actually, I actually.

Free account. I'm bad at this. I should disclose they did give me a free account to begin with. Oh wow. I've, I know I talked about this in the beginning, but I forget that this happened, right? And so I've, I'll, I'll disclose that they did give me a free account for 12 months when it first came out. Yeah, because of the podcast. And then you disclosure for it. I am paying for it now and have been for a couple of years. Yeah, they did give me a free account. I want to disclose that. Yep.

That has not influenced my decision to continue using it. I'm using it because it's a good product. The thing is, I think you're actually using it more than what you did that first year. I absolutely AM. Like, yeah, since you started playing for it, I think you're using it more and I don't. Yeah, I think. The first year I didn't use it very much. Yeah, because I didn't. I wasn't playing Dune starters. And I think that's. Playing Xbox a lot. Shows how good the product is that you can go and just play

any of the games you want and they listen to it and you can play GOG now well. Not yet. But yeah, I keep checking. Hang on. Let me open it and double check a bit soon. Yeah. No, it's it's good. I like it. I can play it on my Logitech G Cloud who haven't given me anything. Logitech haven't give me fuck all. So definitely not sponsored by them. Oh, release highlights something something happened.

No GOG. OK, fuck. You no GOG, but it's coming. It it apparently is coming connections. Nah, no GOG. Yeah, Speaking of AI, well, actually it's two games we just need to talk about. The first is this new open world game called Crimson Desert, which looks very cool. I I'd be interested in if I had more time, but they've come out and well, they've been caught I guess is how it's being put. Yes. It's got AAI art in it. Yes. And this is similar, I think, to

what was that other game that got their game of the year stripped away from them. The clear obscura is that that one? I don't think I got a shirt, but I know there was a lot of talk about it. No, they did. They did take it away. Yeah, clear obscure Expedition 33. Yeah, Game of the year. That was great game. I wish I should go back and finish that. They disqualified them retroactively and took it away because it had AI in it. And so Crimson Desert has it in.

And also this week, Alcat Games who are making The Expanse game, Osiris Reborn, they said, yeah, we're using it too. And I think it's in the same way that the others were. And what's happening is, so to clarify, yes, the way that they're doing this is as they're making the game, they're using AI generated stuff in the game temporarily. So when they implement a feature, if it's particularly, you know, game development is a lot about trying things and seeing what's fun and adjusting things and tweaking things until you get it right. And, and my understanding is

what they're doing, what they, what they say they're doing is when they start making stuff, rather than getting somebody to spend the time to make art and, and, and things to for this thing that they might just delete anyway because it maybe it sucks. We're going to try something. Let's so they AI generate some stuff, put it in the game, test it out, make sure it's fun. And once they can, once everything's confirmed, they get someone to make the actual art, and then they replace. Everything. I think that's a good way of sort of doing it because.

I feel like that's OK. Beating up the process for games being released, which everyone wants, yeah, it's still 100% human product at the end, that's just. Yes, but the problem is they're missing some. That's what's. Happening that would be a problem. Yes, and and that that literally was a problem for clear obscure that that 'cause they said that's what happened. They were using textures in the background that were generated and they just didn't remove them all. They didn't replace them all

with human made ones. Crimson Desert, same thing. Yep, they have apparently apparently accidentally left some in. And I mean the Expanse one. Hopefully they'll fucking try really hard to get them all. Because, well, the problem is find them. They find them, but the problem is is like the expanse of what they're aiming to do Looks like it's going to be a huge game. It's looks like Mass Effect. Everyone's like, oh, it's just Mass Effect in The Expanse. Yeah, OK, Fuck yeah. Yeah, bring it on. This game looks great to me.

Yeah, I mean, and if they'd OK they're using AIR to prototype stuff in development, I don't have an issue with that personally. No, I think that's a sensible. And it's a way of the future. AI is going to be a part of everything we do going forward. And yeah. Larian said the same thing, too. They're going to use it for their next game. Yeah, I think in the same way, but you just I guess need to keep track of. Just keep track of. You can replace. It with it, yeah, but but also this can really help with you

getting those big games you want faster. Right. Yeah, because you don't have to. And then and the money will be better spent. On. Actual stuff that stays in the game rather than spending money. On paying someone to make someone that just Oh no, we've deleted that. That it's never going to be. Used, you know what? That's that's not fun. Just delete that whole section of the game kind of thing. It's just, yeah. So I think there's a balance to be had there, but so far, yeah.

So like I said, Crimson Desert didn't get them all. So they've they're in, people are mad about that right now. And then people are mad about the Alcat for The Expanse preemptively because they found out that they're using it. Well, they didn't find out. They just said it. They said we're using it during development and I don't have a problem with it but. Not not, no. Not using it that way when at the end of the day it is 100% human. If they do remember to take it all away. If you release the game and it's

all just AI slop. Like, yeah, I completely understand. Yeah, but why are we attacking them before we even know what's there? An elephant in the room. Yeah, I use AI for the thumbnails lately because it can do funny things. I use it for comedy purposes. I hope people don't mind that I do that you know, this week will not be this week will be a photograph of me at PAX. It's not AI, it's me. So. You're not going to put AI hair or anything. How dare you?

Take some of the white out of the beard. Fuck you. I told Lyra I was like I might might dye my beard brown and she goes why? And I said, so it's not white anymore. And she goes, but I might not recognize you anymore. And I said, oh. And she goes, no, it'll be OK. I'll just remember. That's still my dad. He just doesn't want anyone to know he's old. Oh. Shit, Yep. No, I did actually have a look at head.

I said I don't have any ginger. None at all. None for beards, no can. You use like Hannah. Doesn't Hannah go kind of gingery? Maybe. I'm no expert. Nor am I. I mean, you, you're already dyeing your hair. Yeah, I don't think anyone would question. I've always worried about putting this sort of hair dye, like I've got green hair at the moment, Putting that in my beard and just inhaling those fumes for a while. I've always been worried about

that. That guy on Is it Cake? With the green, I don't know if people do it. Yeah, maybe I should just suck it off and give it a try. If I pass out, I pass out. It's going to say plug your nose, but so it's your mouth too. It's that whole. Yeah, it's like I can't just not breathe for half an hour. Maybe just look up someone done this before and what's the Safeway to do it? You know I'm not going to do that. Yeah, OK, fine. All right.

Well, it's been nice knowing you. I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm not going to bleach it back. That'll be stupid. You wouldn't. That'd be gone too far. Yeah, that's pretty white. So it's. A bit as I can say it's a bit looking a bit pale. Anyway, yeah. Oh, and just on the subject of AI, this is a quick one. This is follow up actually. I've talked in the past about the issues with Spotify where people can gener either AI generate or not even AI generate.

I could write a song and say this is me and Hans Zimmer and put Hans Zimmer's name on it and it gets posted to his profile and therefore I get people listening to my garbage that I made. Because they think it's Hans Zimmer. Because I said that it is and nobody checks. Yep. And there's nothing he can do about it even if I do. It because if he was to try, it's not possible for him to keep up with. Correct. He's got to contact them. Yeah, So apparently Spotify is

going to be trialling a new thing where basically it's called artist profile protection. You have to review stuff before it gets posted to your profile. I'm assuming this is going to be optional, but I I think big artists will jump on this. I think so, because also I want to think like, oh, it's going to be hard for them to keep up. No, it's not. They're just going to have an account over here. That's just their spam folder. Exactly. And they know when they're. Putting stuff out? Yeah.

When you release something, go and approve it. Otherwise, everything else goes in the trash or or the yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's not gonna be hard. I think this is a really good idea and this is what people were asking for. Like I think I said, Venus Theory did that video where he signed up for a new account under a different name, right? Nothing was associated with him and in fact he uploaded songs that said this is not a Venus Theory song. Do not post this to Venus Theory's profile. This is AI generated song.

This is not a Venus Theory song. Put it in as Venus Theory posted it and it went straight onto his page and was like you went to his page. The new release from Venus Theory. This is not a Venus Theory song. Generated crap. And he was just like, how is it that people can do this? Yeah. That's not right. Even though sort of at the end of the day, you're going to be the one making money out of it. It's not yours. It's not you didn't create it. It's nothing to do with you. Yeah, it's crazy that you can,

you can do that. And it's all because of the way we got here. Like the system wasn't intended for people to be able to upload because you used to go through label radius, you know, through record labels and stuff, and they didn't need this because you couldn't do it. And then now it's just a result of yeah, the the path. Everything just happened very, very, very quickly and it's hard to keep up sometimes. Yes, And the cost of entry got way lower because it used to be it was like a couple of 100 bucks to get something on, you know, with CD Baby or whatever

when it first got on. And then all of a sudden things like District Kid came out. And now I pay, I pay like $40 a year and I can upload unlimited stuff. Yeah, unlimited stuff to my to my Spotify, Apple Music, you know. So, and I know there are a lot of people out there just spamming AI crap out there and it's just appearing on people's playlists when they're German stuff and they don't care. No people don't like just lo fi AI generated stuff. Yep. People just, they don't care. No.

Yeah, the value of music has really fallen through the floor because you just have access to so much of it now. Yep. Like people just, yeah, don't listen to it the same way anyway. Yeah, you don't buy an album anymore. You stopped buying albums years ago. Remember when you used to buy an album and you'd listen to the album? Because that was the album you bought. And even if there were songs on there you didn't really like, you still listen to them.

Because that was the album you bought. Yeah, you're just gonna listen to it. Yeah, now you just listen to the songs you want. Yeah, and you might buy an album and go, oh, this album's actually a bit shit. Oh well, and then you listen to it anyway because that's the fucking album that you just bought. Yes, you spent 30 bucks on it. You're stuck with it now. That's it. Yeah, exactly. And then you get to like it. Yeah. And then sometimes you do come

back and go, Oh no, actually this is a lot better than I thought. Yes, I didn't give it a chance at first. Whereas now if you're on Spotify, you go, yeah, skip. Skip. Yep. Mm hmm, doesn't even need a chance. No. Yeah, no way. We will give you a chance. Everyone gets your chance. Where? At the after party. What's the after party? The after place where we're going to go, continue talking

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