Hail Rocky: Project Hail Mary Review & Artemis II Moon Launch

Welcome to Multiple Nerdgasm, a comedy show about all things nerdy. All right, we are here, Luke and Matt for episode 644 of the Multiple Nerdgasm podcast. And I believe witnesses listeners are waiting for your review of Project Kale Mary. I'll now pass the floor to Matt. Very formal introduction today. Thank you. I don't know why it's so formal. She felt like a change. Yeah, he's Luke. I'm Matt, and I did watch Project Hail Mary this week. One word review. Amaze. I told you you'd love it.

Yeah, I loved it. I fucking loved it. It's it's one of my favorite books of the last, I don't know, decade. Whatever. Fucking great book, great movie. One of my favorite movies for the last decade probably. It's just just great. It's a it's a well, it's such a serious sort of tone, serious movie. It's also funny like it. Yes, both. That's done well. That's what I liked about the book, and they really captured it. Is that.

Yeah, like I get. Are we going to do some slight spoilers, I guess? I think we can do some slight spoilers now because remember the rule is for movies you get 2 weeks. How? Long has it been out It's. Been out like 3-4 weeks. All right, I'll try and. Remember, no, no, no. In this movie, this episode, you can skip ahead if you want to. Television shows, you get a week. Yeah, television shows you get a week. Movies, you get 2 weeks. That's my rule.

Because if you really wanted to hide from spoilers, you've got time in that period. If you really wanted to see it before, I'll try to. Remember what chapter mark is in this episode, so you can skip this if you haven't seen it. But you I mean, yeah. And you should go see it. And also you should go see it without spoilers because so I thought I felt when so stunning now because I'm going to mention something that I think is technically a spoiler because it's in the trailer. And I was weirded out that they put Rocky in the trailers because to me, having read the

book, I read the book when it came out in like 2021. I pre-ordered it because I loved these other two books and I was expecting more of the same kind of thing. And as I'm reading the book, I'm like, OK, there's a guy in a spaceship, you know, he's going to save the sun or whatever and and all of a sudden there's a fucking alien. And I was like, like, what the fuck? Like I just did not expect it. And it was such a pleasant surprise, I. Could see why they did that for for the trailer for the movie to give a better idea of what

they're expecting cause. But Jenna saw it last night, and she did not know anything about it. Yeah. And I said to her, did you know Rocky's in all the trailers? She didn't watch any of the trailers. And she was like, really? That's weird. Like because she enjoyed too, not knowing that that was going to happen. I think it was good to have because as you said, it's very different to these other books, like it's a bit more here in this one. And I think for advertising

perspective, you really want to have like this is a bit more fun. You want people to understand there's a Yeah, it's this is different. Yeah, this is. There's an alien in this. Yeah. So it's it's not The Martian. It's it is a very different type of movie that you're going to be seeing this time, which I think is fair. And I think it probably pulled in more of an audience because of that. Yeah, well, it's like a a kind of a buddy movie. Yeah.

So the the main I know one of the things people wanted to know is what's the difference between the movie and the book. And honestly, it's very like true to the book. It just kind of lifts stuff out that was not as the the movie is about him and Rocky. That's the the important part of the book and the movie. But the book has time to do all this sciencey stuff that I thought was very cool and interesting. But I can completely understand why it's something because the movie's three hours long. Yeah, so. And if you were to go more into

that science stuff, that turns into a four hour movie like. Stuff about like how the astrophage breed and how you know it takes him longer to figure things out. In the movie, he figures things out pretty quick. Yeah, which is fine because. I did sort of gloss over the astrophage a little bit and just went it's just 80 stars, don't worry about it. There's but I mean, there's a lot to that and that's one of my favorite things about it is that if you read the book, it's very I've seen some, there's some YouTube videos and articles and stuff saying you get some stuff

wrong. And it's like, well, he wrote this presumably over the last I know when it came out 2021, the book, he wrote it over a few years before that, right. And he's not a astrophysicist, he's an IT guy turned author. He's not Arthur C Clarke. Don't expect to have. Yeah, he just did all his researches and like, and, and honestly, he it's pretty fucking close. And when you read the book, everything has an explanation like whether it's quite true or not. Like he's got everything covered.

It just. And it feels so like believable. Yeah. So like all the stuff about the Astrophage and the the Petrova line and like because I thought they skimmed over certain things that I was like, I wonder if people fully comprehended that. But I guess you was there anything in there that you didn't quite? No, I understand. Yeah, I did a good. Job like it. I think you did, yeah. For the short amount of time that you really want to get into in depth side of that, I think they did a great job Ball.

Yeah, I agree. Resting your story as well. The only thing I was like at one point he's they've got the breeding tanks for the astrophage. Yeah, towards the end, that's how they they breed it to be nitrogen resistant, Yes. But then I was like, did they discuss making those at any point? I don't think they did in the movie, but it doesn't matter. I think they sort of just, it was a mention like that I think. He says, oh, the that's exactly, yeah. He says, oh, these are the breeding tanks Rocky made.

And I was like, yeah, oh, we didn't. We didn't see any of that. And didn't didn't really go into a lot of detail about how that like just went because he made it the leak happened and that's why it's bad and. Yeah, they made yeah. When they made nitrogen resistant, they also made it. What is it? Our goodnight. Argonaut. It could escape the Argonite and yeah, and it fucked up the. Fuel system and that was just a very quick, right. But it's but they, like you said, it's, it's not unclear.

It's just like, oh, OK, and like. The part of that story wasn't really that part. It was like, yes, we need to fix that, but it was also the emotional part. Of yes, because the most important part of that is another expose for the end is that he knows Rocky's going to be stranded now and that's what's important. Yeah. And that's clear. Yeah. Yeah. And he didn't want Rocky to go through what he'd already been through and just be left alone.

Yes, yeah. So my favorite bits, they do so well, you know, they first meet and they like, you know, they learn the language and like, oh, that goes on for a long time too. And that's all very in depth too, like how they swap words and like the learning language and stuff like that. It's just, yeah, it's really, the book's really good. I think they really did a good way of sort of haven't read the book, haven't listened to the book, but I think they did a good way of showing how Rocky learnt to really communicate because Rocky did the heavy

lifting of that learning the language. Yeah, true. Grace just made a computer that translates the words he's saying. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like rocky species is. Rocky has a lot of in in the movie. It's it's I felt like they make Grace seem a bit more dumb. Like there's a lot of points where Rocky figures stuff out on his own. Yes, but. There's a bit where he says I'll watch you sleep and he's like, no, I'm going to bed.

And then Rocky says, I watched the other Iridians sleep for a long time and they didn't wake up. And like, Grace stops. And I was just like, oh, you nailed that. Yeah. That's brutal. All right, you can watch me sleep. Yeah, all. Right. All right. Got it. But that was a great movie, and I think the biggest spoiler was not in the trailers at all. No, I I know what you mean. The skip ahead if you don't want

to hear it, the fact that he didn't want to go. Yeah, the fact that he was basically he was kidnapped and forced to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you and Rocky think he's a hero. Yes. And then you learn it's way more complicated than that because yeah, he said no. And they kidnapped him, put him on the ship. Because he was the only one that had the knowledge and to do it at that stage because of other stuff that happened in movie. But then you feel like, no, he is a hero at the end when he

makes the decision. But yeah, it's, it's well done because you see the lead up to it and and then, you know, the original, the original science guy dies and then they're like, you're going to have to do it. And he's like, he's like, I don't know. And you think he's like he's he's. Building up to. Building up to courage, everything. And then he goes, I've decided I'm not going to go. And then she's like. Come on here, grab him and they're just he makes a run for it.

She just goes, he's running and they chase him down, inject him. And he was meant to go with two other astronauts, but they died in the induced coma, Which? Oh yeah, that's the other thing that's not in it that I I liked from the book, but I don't understand why it's not in there. Is that when he wakes up at the start, like the very first thing he wakes up and they do have this where the the robot is asking him questions. Yep. It's like, what's 2 + 2 kind of thing that goes on for longer? And he's like, it won't let him out of the bed until he can

answer some basic questions and then it lets him out of the bed but he's not let out of the room. The Power Room. And then once he can answer more questions about, you know, various science topics and things like that, he has to basically prove he's able to function in the next section of the ship before it will let him into the next section of the ship. And then it's like 8, not it's ages until he's allowed up in the. Whereas in the movie it's basically he just falls out of bed and gets out and just and

he's got full round. Free round of the ship, yeah, Which I mean, yeah, because they just need to get to. Rocky But in saying that, I think it's a bit unfair for him to go through that training because I don't I don't think he went through the training with the robot about how he's going to wake up. Yeah, that's true. That would have happened. Yeah, that's true, because he didn't know he was going to be doing that. Yeah, so that would have been a complete shock and very unnerving for waking up. And there's just.

A Well, training wise he couldn't remember anything anyway, that was the point. Because that's the other thing that's clear in the book too. And I guess it's clear. I don't know if this is completely clear in the movie is that he's remembering that stuff, which is why you're seeing it when you see it. And in the book it's it's, it's good because what he's remembering is relevant to what's happening and he's kind of figuring things out as he goes along. And so like when he, when you learn in the book that he didn't want to go, he remembers that.

And up until that point, he doesn't he he's not realizing that he didn't want to be there anything so. But no, definitely go see it, great movie. Loved it. I own the book Unaudible. Yeah, see the the Audible version, I think I'm pretty sure I have both. I mostly listen to Audible because it's got like someone doing the Rocky voice and that and it's just a really good, it's a good order, like a good listen because it's yeah. And it's got the sound effects like because you know when before he can understand Rocky,

Rocky just kind of chirps. It's. Got that. It's like, yeah, it's a really good audio book for that reason. I might do it. You should. The author, Andy Weir, who I think might be a genius. It's just so clever. Oh, they want to adapt his other book too now, apparently, which I was surprised he didn't. So The Martian was very successful. And if you don't know this, he was he was working in ITI believe and wanted to be an author. He just had this idea for a

story about a guy on Mars and wrote this. I don't know if you've seen The Martian, that's one thing. But if you read the book, it's similar to this. It's very like everything is very like, whether legitimate or not, science based like, it's all very like. And I think that he got some people calling out, like some because of information that came out after the movie and stuff like, yeah, he didn't have that information available. How is he meant to include that? Yeah, yes, but everything that happens is is based in to his knowledge and to research what

he could understand was is actually feasible. And it's the same project, Tell Mary and his other book, Artemis. And so, but he wrote The Martian and nobody would publish it. All the publishers are like, no one's going to be interested in this. It's like too hard sci-fi. It's too like, yeah, it's too boring kind of, which is weird because it's not. And he self published it. He published, I think he published chapters of it like on Reddit or something. And people were like, this is sick.

And so he self published it on Amazon and I at the time I believe it became the most successful self published title ever. He went on to do the movie and all that kind of stuff, and he doesn't have to split the money with anybody. Because. Because it's like that. Himself, like that whole thing about Twins when they wanted to make Twins and all the studios were like, that's fucking stupid. No one's going to watch that. So Arnold Schwarzenegger, fine, we'll pay for it. And then now they get, they

said, they've said that's the most money they get is from that because they don't have to pay anyone. Yep, so. You want to be successful. He's got another book called Artemis, which is about. It's set in the. Moon. Is it about Artemis? It's in on a Moon, the moon in the future and and some stuff happens. Bad girl. And I believe, I believe it's supposed to be like a terrorist. It's been a long time since I read that one, but I remember enjoying it very much.

And they're now talking about making a movie of that too. And apparently he wants Jenna Ortega to be the main character, which makes sense because she's in everything now, Yes. Well, actually, I think she's slowed down a bit. Yeah, you're right. There was a period there where it was just like. Yeah, she was everything. And now I forget the last thing she was actually in. Like, it's been a couple of years since I remember anything. Like Wednesday was really the last one of the screams. Oh, that's right. Yeah, she didn't do the newest

scream. Yeah. So yeah, she sort of, she was in everything and now she's not so. I mean, I'm fine for her being everything. She's yeah, she's good. Yeah, but yeah, she did sort of just die off a little bit. Yeah. Well, no, it's actually true and I just haven't seen anything or. Apparently he wants her to be. Yeah, it's not decided that she will be or anything. It'll come down to Amazon but and but she's friends with Netflix. That's true, yeah. But does Andy Weir owe Amazon

anything? Maybe after this? I think he might now. He might now. Well, he's in trouble this week. Andy Weir. Because. He interestingly went on the Critical Drinker podcast. Do you remember the Critical Drinker? Yeah. We've we've met their fans before. Yeah, his fans before. So Critical Drinker is controversial to a degree in that he is seemingly very right wing and he's very anti woke. He did a lot of stuff about Star

Wars and Marvel and you know, all the going work go broke business. He's just he's been very critical of modern Hollywood in that regard. And yeah, when we did an episode about we're talking about Acolyte, Star Wars Acolyte, yes. And I said I liked it and that I thought his video was stupid and people didn't like that. So we got. Well, the thing that I still go back to that annoys me about Acolyte was the fact that people were complaining about lesbians in it and and it was sort of like, no, it's a carbon of witches.

Yeah, yeah. So yes, that's that's what we have in the modern day for hundreds of years. That's not unusual. That's not going woke. That's a thing, and that's already been in the books for. Years, but the thing, the thing that bothered me and I remember this because I, I, I had seen these videos and they just like, oh, this happens and it's stupid. This happens and it's stupid. It was like these guys were going through these bullet lists of dumb things in a show. When I watched the show, I was like, oh, you just misunderstood

what's happening. Like like for example, the fire in space, everyone's complaining about the fire in space. It's a gas leak. It would catch fire. Like like they were looking for things to find wrong instead of watching and then finding things wrong. Yes, yeah. But anyway, so Andy, we went on Critical Drinkers podcast and he said basically that new Star Wars apart from it's not Star Wars, new Star Trek apart from Strange New World. OK? Let me just read what he said. OK, I'll give you my opinion and

I'm just a consumer. I like Strange New Worlds, I think it's pretty good. I didn't hate Enterprise, I thought it was kind of weird. Lower Decks I thought was entertaining and fun. All the others they can go. And here's another thing, I pitched to Star Wars show to Paramount and I was on Zoom with the showrunners with all the shows and spent a lot of time talking to Alex Kurtzman. I don't like a lot of the new Trek. He's really nice, but at the same time, these shows are shit. He's a nice guy, but they didn't accept my pitch, so, you know,

fuck him. Whoa, see, Is he talking about enterprise as in the enterprise from decades ago? I think so. Because I, I didn't hate that either. That did take a little while to get into, but that's not new. That's. And is he talking about Voyager? A new show called Enterprise, right? Not that I know of. And is he talking about Voyager and the next Gen. and all that or is it just I guess I'm confused by? I didn't hate Enterprise. Well, I know Enterprise was

controversial. Controversial. People didn't like Enterprise because didn't it turn out to be all fake at the end? Or was a holodeck simulation at the end or? Something No, that was the yeah, the final episode. They killed off one of the favourites favorite characters, you know, and it was a holodeck episode. It was a flashback. It was like had next Gen. What's, what's his name, second in command? Riker. Riker. So I had him and him, his wife,

basically go, go and learn from this experience and go and see what happened during the last days of this and how so flashbacks to what happened. And they killed off Triple was a great character. And like really, I think a lot of people were upset by that. And it wasn't really an end to that episode. It was an end. It was, but they are talking about reviving that. OK. There's talk about bringing that back and actually bringing back the guy who played the captain. Oh, MacGyver. Quantum leap guy.

Not, not. Yeah, it's got bacula. It's got bacula. There's talk talk about him coming back because he actually in the episode he goes off become the president of the the Space Federation, the first stuff, first president of space Federation. And there's I think there's talk of going back to that or there was talk of that a while ago. But yet people were upset at the time for the ending of that show because they grew like all these characters and then didn't get to see them really tie anything up. And then they showed off a great

character for just right to learn something even though the next Gen. was over. Maybe that's what he's referring to then, that he he wasn't mad about that or something. Yeah, but it just seems like that's a that's going back a long ways when you're talking about strength, new worlds and Lower decks like they are very forefront. So I don't know if. He was he another point, he was laughing about how stuff that Academy got cancelled because he I guess he didn't like that either. And it's I mean, he's intelligent to his opinion.

I think people have just jumped on it because he was so flippant. But then he's so he issued an apology and he said actually wrote specifically to Alex Kurtzman and he said, Hey, I'm sorry. I thought I I was clear about the fact that I think I like you and I have no problem with you. I was just kind of joking around on a podcast, you know, I'm sorry that it became such a big deal, which which I get, like we say, hyperbolic. Go here. Stuff on here I'm I'm guessing that's what he was intending was just.

Yeah. Because I'm I'm reading the words on the page here, I didn't actually watch how he said it. Like if it was casual and he was just talking shit. Like, yeah, like. Don't know that you can. You're having a casual chat and he's like, like, he's a really nice star. I've enjoyed it. But at the same time, you know, I don't like them. They're these ones. These ones aren't for me. Even though he's talking about the actual one of the newest ones saying I really like that one.

Yeah, yeah. You like Strange New worlds, which, yeah, you would agree with. I'll tell you, you should watch Strange New Worlds. I will. Feels like it's given another go to the original generation. It still has an overarching story, but is very much yeah episode to episode again. I'll give it another go, but yeah. He's been that episode. I love it. I think she linked to the episode. I didn't notice that was a link. I might, I might watch this

actually, just because I like. Interesting. I like it, yeah. But so I'm interested to see what how the full context for this. But anyway, here he's given an apology and he said, you know, if if Kurtzman has any concerns about it, hit him up. You know you've got my phone number. Let's. But has Kurtzman actually said there's a problem? He has a problem with No no no the Internet. It's the Internet. Yeah, yeah, it's the Internet. So, yeah.

So that's the big news this week. And I was like, Oh no, Andy, don't get cancelled. No, I understand why stuff like Academy didn't do well. Have you watched? It I didn't watch it, but I understand why it didn't do well. It's for a different audience. OK. It was. It was for a young adult audience. OK, people who don't watch Star Trek. Yes, and it was a spinoff of Star Trek Discovery, which even to me, I like Star Discovery at

the start and then it just went weird. Yeah, especially when they jumped 1000 years through future and walk where I start work and two. Seasons of it. And that second season, I was like, I don't know, man. Like yeah not the the last season when they get jumped 1000 years to the future and nothing works. Like warp drives don't work anymore. So basically rebuilding everything from scratch and it got weird. Yeah, OK. I mean, Star Trek getting weird

is fine. But it got a bit too too weird. I found it hard to follow along. OK, all right. Might be like a. Spin off that came from it and I'm hoping there's another spin off that comes Oh. Yeah, because the guy from Vampire Diaries is Kirk now. Kirk and he, he's a great Kirk and I wouldn't mind him spinning off from tragedy worlds and him taking over the Enterprise and that's still continuing taking over from Pike. All right, oh, in space Thing news, we have a release date for Spaceballs 2. I still can't believe this is

coming out. I'm so excited for this. 2027 and there is a a I've seen Rick. Moranis is back. Yeah, man. I didn't know he was actually coming back. I saw a picture the other day and I was like I don't know if this is real or AI garbage space. Because I knew there was a time, because I know he quit acting to basically look after his children. Yes. And his wife died. His wife died. His wife died, I think, and so he quit acting to look after.

Sure. And it was a shame because his wife died. I think that was what happened. But he was a great actor. Yeah. Like I loved him. Yeah, he's very funny. And then he died. But then he he what's going to make a comeback? And then someone punched him in the face in New York. Do you remember that story? Yeah. It's. Bullshit. Yeah, some guy. I don't think that person even knew who he was.

No, it was just this guy who was high on drugs or something. He just punched the first guy he saw and but no, him being back in this, I'm all in. Yeah, it's great. I'm excited. Yeah, I think the photo I saw was AI because I can't find it anywhere when you search. It was just on an article the other day, but. Brooks being back as well and filming his scenes when he was 99. Yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm excited. I think whether it's whether it's funny or good or not, I think it's going to be fun.

Like even if it's like the most painful fucking experience ever because they're all old and it's not unfunny now, I think it's going to be cool. Oh I still hate that the sequel might be called Space Force the new one. I think they should just go with the original Space Force. The search for more money. Yeah, yeah. Like just go back to what you're the original joke that you made all those years ago. Yeah, yeah. April 2027. So one year. Yeah, and I hope Mel Brooks is around to see it.

Yeah. That's not a threat. Except he doesn't piss you off in the meantime. So around the same time we get just after we get Sonic 4. I still think to watch 2 and 3. Two's good, three's great. Yeah. Three's very good. The first one was great. I don't know why I haven't seen the others. It was. They were fun movies. Yeah, well, the first one was fun. The games are horrible now. I was actually playing Sonic Shadows Generations today and I

just. We've got that too. I got. That I just, no, I can't play them anymore. Is it you or is it the game? Because to me, it's me. I was going to say to me it's just the same, but. It's the same and that's. Yeah, yeah. Sonic was always like, you move so fast and it's hard to like explore the world in a way, but that's the design of the game as you're supposed to. Get fast more it's more like that because like I see get it's like the hedgehog one or two my favorite games.

I used to play them the death all the time, finished them multiple times over. Now with these ones, there's designed levels that you go and replay them and explore the entire levels because there's collectibles everywhere. And no, I just want to run to the end. No, there you unlock abilities. Yeah, it's it's a little bit Metroidvania Y. And that way is that you replay a level because there's a thing that you couldn't do before and you can do it so. Yeah, and I just. No, he just runs to the end and tries not to die and then fights

the boss every third level. Well, Leah's enjoying. That's the Sonic I know. I. Mean Leah's not great at it, but she's enjoying it. She's learning, yeah. Doctor Robotnik. He's Doctor Robotnik in the movie, isn't he? Yes. Because I remember they tried to change him to egg man. He's Doctor Robotnik. Sonic calls him Egg Man because his drones look like eggs. Yep. But I remember, yeah, they did try that. He was egg.

Man in Japan. Yeah, whereas we've always known him as Doctor Robotnik. Yeah, because I think when they brought Sonic to the to the West, they were like Egg, man. No one's going to know what the fuck that is. Especially because he's round. Yeah, I've got something here. This should actually be in follow up, I've realized now, but I've put it here under Movies. Well, update on Avatar for you Luke. I don't understand how they are letting him waste this money. Avatar four and five are full speed ahead, so.

How are they giving him money still? Because I don't think 3 did make. Money. I mean, it made money. That's what matters, right? Did it make a lot though? I mean I. Feel like, yeah, I feel like it was, it was doing all right. Well, it's Avatar fire and I fire and ash. Box office came in at just shy of 1.5 billion. All right, so it's still doing fine. How much does it take to? Not as much. OK, the second film did 2.3 and

the first did 2.9 billion. So when you look at it like that, it's like about half what the first film did, but it's still $1.5 billion, so. Yeah, it's, it's not getting the people aren't coming back to it anymore. Though, no, but I mean that's I feel like to be expected when you're doing a series like that, people will drop off. But so he's going to feel sounds like he's we've avatar four and five full split ahead. So he's going to fill him back-to-back or at the same time, maybe I. Don't know that we know that. I think it'd be wise to do that.

Yes, I if I was him, I'd be. Yeah, get the money now. Get it? Done. Just get it done. If you want this fucking thing to happen, just do it. Because you've you've already dropped off a billion with the third one. If you drop off another billion with the 4th one, you're in trouble. Yeah, and they will, I'm sure. Like it's going to keep going down. People will drop off. They will. Well, the reason why the first one really made that money

wasn't because of the as I've said before, it wasn't because we liked the movie. We, they people do. But yeah, it was a yeah, it was a new technology. It was an experience. Like I saw it in IMAX twice because the 3D and all that stuff was like new. Like I I went and saw it. And then I would tell people and I would take people to go, no, I'm going, I'll take you to go and see it and I'll go see it with you. Like it was, it was an excitement. And it was the first time 3D was done.

Well, yeah. And then everything became 3D and it was horrible again. Yeah, but that there's a difference between filming it in 3D, which some movies still do. There's a difference between filming in 3D and then, you know, making it 3D later. Yeah, I, I think. And at the time it was everything had to have a 3D. Yeah, but they just took it a movie that just tried normally and then put it. People just made it 3D in a computer and it's not quite the same thing. Doesn't look the same. No.

You'll be pleased to know you can watch more of it. I will go and see it when it's out and I'll let you know. I probably won't. I'll I'll say I'll watch it when it comes out and I won't because I've got two I've got to catch up on now and I'm. Yeah, you can. Honestly, you can skip the third one. All right, maybe I will. You can watch the second one. When the 4th 1 comes out, I'll give you 5 minutes to watch the third one and you're caught up. All right, new trailers, Masters of the Universe. Yeah, I'm still I'm.

Still skeptical on. This I'm I don't know. I don't know. It does seem like a family movie though. And yeah, we don't really get family movies anymore. It does look like, yeah, like an 80s style family movie, Yeah, which makes sense because, you know, But yeah, I don't know if it's for me. No, and I think your daughter's probably too young for it. I. Don't know if she'd be interested in it. Yeah, unless Shira makes an appearance, because that was the big thing.

The boys had he man. The girls had Shira back in the 80s. Doesn't seem to bother too much like Sykes. Sykes boy. Oh, I guess he's a hedgehog so doesn't count. She likes Sonic and Shadow. But if you heard the rumor that the reason what I think he man was cancelled was because of Shira. No. So the rumour is that he man was out there and he had all these young boys running around going I have the power and play finding everything. And then Shearer came along as

his cousin had also had the power. So then all these boys had the little sisters also going I have the power and the boys went. Well, this isn't as fun. I don't want to play that anymore because I can't just beat up on my little sister anymore because. And that's sort of where it sort of tampered off, didn't her? Sword turn into a whip. She kind of had cool shit going on that he man didn't too. Shira Princess? Is she in the new? I've never watched the the. News man. No, neither have I.

I've heard Kevin Smith did it right. Yes. Shira, Princess of power, I swear her sword turned into a whip. I it's been 30 years, I don't remember. But anyway, so the Mass Universe trailer looks fine, yeah. I just don't know. I'm not going to go to the movies and see it unless it comes out and everyone's like losing their shit of how good it is. Maybe I'll go just to see it, but. I'll probably go just because I'm bored.

Sure. And. I'll let you know, but yeah, I'm not expecting it to be. Yeah. Oh my God, you have to see this. I think it's going to be a yeah. Well, and the other one that I was I, I expected to be more excited about this than I am is Supergirl. I watched the Supergirl trailer and I was like, OK, it just looks like. I haven't seen it yet. All right, to me it looks like a lot of other stuff that's just already been done. It looks like a smush together of Guardians of the Galaxy and

some of the some of the other DC stuff like the. Flash yeah, with her at the end of Superman, it does look like she's just going to be like the fun one liners and completely and. Yes, to me it looks like it looks a lot like Guardians of the Galaxy in Yeah, feel like even like the some of the sets I was like, even though I know that they're not real because they're probably blue screen or green screen, but like I was like, that just looks like Guardians of the Galaxy to me. Which hopefully it's good because this is the second one in his new DCU universe, so and

he. Didn't even direct it. So it's not like it's not like saying James Gunn just did the same thing. He didn't direct it. He. Didn't direct it, but he still has a lot of control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know, just I watched this and I was like, OK, it doesn't look particularly interesting to me. Which it's a shame because that's, yeah, like her, the second big one that's meant to be leading off into the new world and. I'm I'm sure it's competent and

fine, it just didn't excite me so. Well, she is a girl, so that's good. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think she's either she's Australian or she lives in Sydney, Right. OK. What's her name? What is her name? I don't actually know her name her. Name is Millie Alcock. Let me check. Let me factory Alcock. I know she lives in Sydney because I saw a video where she was doing a tour of her mum's house.

Yeah, she's Australian. OK. Yeah, OK. And I thought, I want. That's strange that she's giving a tour of her mum's house. Was she not as famous when she did that video? Because I feel like you wouldn't do that when you're about to be Supergirl. Well, it seems like she's done like a few little things, and then her big thing was in the House of Dragons, so. The dragon. Sorry. The House of the Dragon sort of fall up to Game of Thrones seems to be her big breakout.

What else? Did she do? She did, reckoning the school. Wait, I watched that familias. Huh. Is she in that? I know she's been in a fair bit. She sure wasn't. But no, it's all like late late 2000s. Yeah, there you go. I guess I've seen your other stuff. Didn't even realise. That's cool. Anyway, I'm sure it's fine. Yeah, I'm sure James Gunn knows what he's doing. Yeah, still just love how he got the job.

Got fired and then got rehired and had two jobs. Yep. Yeah, love that. Like got fired and just got paid millions of dollars because of it and then got hired back and paid millions more. Yeah, what a life it's. But honestly, the best case scenario for yeah, for something like that. Well, what a horrible knee jerk reaction at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like on the one hand, I can sort of understand why they did it, but then they didn't need to jump in so quickly. No, because obviously it turned

around you. Sometimes you shouldn't give into the Internet as quickly. Yes, because the Internet write. Down and see what happens. Yeah, the Internet, well, has a long memory. It also has a short memory at the same time, yeah. Yeah, who was recently? Something happened recently and I was like, whoever it was was just keeping quiet about it. Yeah. Oh, oh, the Alan Richardson thing. He just didn't say anything for a long time until and then, I mean, he, it's a little different because it's not like

a he wasn't going to, he wasn't making inappropriate jokes or anything like that. He was punching somebody. But but he had, he had, he had the receipts to show. Yep, man, he wasn't kept quiet about it, didn't go on the fancy for defensive, just kept his mouth shut and then went, oh, I'm going to just release this now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a smart move if you've got the footage, yes, prove that you didn't do it. Yeah, you need those receipts to back yourself up. And yeah, that guy was an idiot. I don't know what he.

I think honestly think he was just trying to get gold money. I. Think was a scam? Yeah, yeah, a scam. Because like he walked out in front of him twice, he was on the bike and we think it's to get. Clear from the actual GoPro footage, He wanted Alan Richardson to punch him. Yeah. On camera so that he could extort him. That's what I think, yeah, that's. What I think Dak fired big time. Yes, because he got punched and he got no money.

Yeah. And there's no way to police are going to go after Alan because Alan did nothing wrong for what I can see, like he. No, I mean, you know, he didn't need to punch him, but the guy was punching him. So what are you? You know, whatever this article. Got a lot worse. Yes, this article made me laugh. This is just a quick thing apparently. The the new Fast and Furious, the last one apparently. It's going to be like the last one ever apparently. I I called bullshit. Yeah, we'll see.

Vin Diesel announced it recently at an event and last June at Fuel Fest in Tampa. No, wait, this is. Sorry, this is the story was told at Fuel Fest in Tampa this week. When the fuck did Vin announce this last June, anyway? Yeah, they were doing some event and Universal had not agreed to do this movie. Yeah, it was all still like still just conceptual. And they were did this big event last year. And then, apparently, Vin Diesel said to Paul Walker's brother backstage. I'm going to announce the new

movie. And he was like, I thought that wasn't approved yet. He goes, well, it will be once I announce it. So he went out on stage and he said, I want to announce that we're doing another Fast and Furious movie. The crowd went crazy. Everyone went nuts. And then the studio was like, well, I guess we're doing it. Now, well, that has backfired before. I know. Star Trek 4, when they announced, hey, we're making the new Star Trek and everyone's coming back and no one had

signed up for it. There was no script, no, nothing, hadn't been greedily and they just went, yeah, everyone's going back and we're making it. And then that went nowhere. Yeah, well, that was the studio, though. This is just one of the actors being like, I know what'll force their hand. Yeah, almost. And I. But also. It's a power move. That's also what Nathan Fillion's doing at the moment. That's true. Yeah, maybe he's a Vin Diesel

fan. Yep, you saw what Vin Diesel did and I think he may have done it better. Nathan Fillion may have done it a bit better, though. Yeah, I mean people in the comments are saying it's not wasn't a huge risk. No. Because they probably work in a green light the movie, but it still it isn't, it's just. AI also don't think it's going to be their last one. Those movies still just print money for them, don't they? I think so, yeah. God, they got increasingly ridiculous.

I, I, I liked them up to a point and then now I'm like, no. Didn't it start off as like a cop going undercover to break up a like a underground drag racing thing? Uh. No, in underground drag racing it was they were stealing. Umm. TV's and VCRS from trucks. All the trucks are moving. That's what happened at the start of the movie. And now, haven't they been to space at some point or if I've mentioned that? No, I think you might be right. The the one the last one I watched it was so stupid but I

really enjoyed it was the James Wan directed? It was the one where maybe it's like 7 where they'd like jump a car from one skyscraper to another. Oh yes. And it's like, fucking hell. And the one where that's the one with Michelle, we're doing his fights for Ronda Rousey, which is just very funny to me. Yeah, silly movies. Yeah, well, we'll, you'll get to watch it. It's fast, forever. It's officially coming March 2028. Oh yeah, and that was the one with the Rock, where the Rock's

in hospital and he's got the big cast on his arm and then the. This is Oh yeah. Attacking the city and he stands there, he's got the window and his daughter goes, what are you doing, daddy? And he's like. I got to go to work and he. Flexes in the cast, explains off his arm. Like. Incredible. Yes, that don't mean the bones in your arm are fixed. Like you can't flex that much, just flex off to put them back into place. The doctors are like Mr. The Rock Please.

Classic. But like intentionally so. Like it knew that it was stupid. That's that's what I liked about it. But I think like, I think the the most expensive part is just getting all those actors in now. Yeah, probably. Most of them are so big now. Same with Marvel and and whatnot. You were talking actually last night, not last night, a couple of nights ago about TV shows and how I guess a problem they have now is when ATV show's really successful, the the actors in it become really successful and they become too busy for you to

make any more of the TV show. And people complain that like we're talking and that and, and budget wise and and whatnot. Things are just different now we're talking about Severance. Season 3 of Severance hasn't even been filmed yet, let alone coming out soon. Whereas it used to be, you know, every year you get a new. Season yeah and I think that's actually what killed season 2 suffered for me because I just had sort of forgotten season too long in between and yeah had no and it's. Probably another year before we get season 3 for sure. Yeah.

And then because I was saying, I wonder if this silo, which has been very successful, Rebecca Ferguson's obviously a huge star, they shot Season 3 and Season 4 of that at the same time already. Yep, and excellent. Yeah. So I guess they'll release those over the. Next, because I'm looking forward to three and four you've. Just got to get it done while you've got a kind of thing. Two lost me a little bit. It got really back. I liked it, lost me a little bit.

Yeah, but I like the it's based on a series of books. It's gone an ending. Yes. It's like, I've not read the books, but as I understand it, this they're popular, so I'm assuming it goes somewhere. You know what I mean? It's not like lost or something where it's like they don't know where they're going. But also with that last scene at the end, it does feel like it's just been turning into Fallout. Yeah, yeah, I suppose. So I finished watching Fallout this week. I gotta watch season 2, I keep forgetting.

About it just finished, loved it. Was good, Yeah, OK. Yep. No enjoyed it, still good. Looking forward to Season 3. Oh good, I'll watch it. We've got some space news that I wanted to talk about. Did you watch the launch? The Artemis launch. Did you watch it? I watched it. Of course I did. Oh. God, I'm so. Excited for this? Got my watched it with Lyra. She's very excited because she's never seen.

She's seen kind of knows what it looks like when a rocket takes off. But I was like, this is life. This is right now and. This is like. 10s of 98 she she was going 1098 and I was like, this is great. And this is like the biggest rocket we have at the moment. Like, this thing is. Yeah. And we're going further than humankind has ever been before. Yeah. And I was explaining to her like, this is really important. She's like, why is it important? And we've said, are they going to the moon?

And she was like, yeah, But like, and she's like, yeah, people have been to the moon. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I know that. But honey, no one has been to the moon while I've been alive. Boy so. This is exciting for me. So we've got this launch. So I think they're about halfway through their trip at the moment. Artemis 4 is 2028, right? And that's. The one they actually stand for, yes. I think Artemis 3. They're I think they're still landing on the moon.

Right. But they're not. They're not. There's no humans on that one. I think it's testing the. Lander and whatnot. No, because remember this is all leading up to the building a base on the moon. Yeah, yeah. Like this isn't just a. Because I think. It's just pick up some rocks. This is the first time humans have gone up on this rocket, yes. Like so it was a little like, is this going to be OK, like. Well, they had to restart, they thought a couple times, didn't

they? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah, because I had AI think there was a night tradition leak at some stage and and the second that 10 minutes starts and they flick over the battery, if they have to restart again, they have to recharge the batteries all over again to get them to fall. Yep. Yep. But all successful, just great. And, and so just a couple updates I've put in the show notes. They launched, everything went great, flawless. They are as of a couple of days ago now on their way to the

moon. There's no possibility of them coming back unless they complete the mission like if something goes wrong now. Because I had to go around the earth once or twice. Yes, I had to do a loop and like slingshot out there. Yeah. And they're on their way now if something goes wrong now. That that, that's it. They. Have no way to retrieve them. They are on their way to the moon. And they will be the first people to ever die in space. Yeah.

Which we do not want. No. However, the last update is that everything is going great, so that's good. So it seems like it seems unlikely. But you never know. But it does seem, yeah, let's just yeah, hopefully it just come back because I don't want them dying is the only I'm trying to say a joke because if they die, they're going to push back everything else. Sure, That's not the only reason I don't want them to die. I don't also don't want them to die but it will push launchers and yeah.

Look, it's not threatening the Artemis 2 astronauts. I am not 4, 4, actually. Oh, no, he's out of us two. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he's out of us two. No, there's four. There's three Americans and the Canadian. Yeah. And the first woman that's. Right. Yeah, first woman to the moon area. Yeah, to to the moon, ish. Because they're not landing, they're just going around it. They're flying around the other side of it, which is pretty

fucking cool anyway, Oh my God. And some of the have you seen the photos that they've sent back? No, not yet. Oh my God, they're fucking sick. So I didn't put these in here, but I'll. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to find them. Yeah, just look up like photos of Earth from Artemis 2. They've got these, they've got DSLRs up there with them, and they've just been taking photos. And that's just. It's a bit boring while he's waiting. Because I guess, like, you know, no one's done this since the.

The 70s. 70s, seventies, sixties, 70s, yeah, 70s. So you know they're going to send back some sick photos. Yeah, I don't think we've been like even if you look at like the ITS that seems just in low earth all but that's not actually that far away. Like this is the first time we're actually going to real space. Yeah, look up. Yeah, there's an article that's on this is on the New York Times, but it's got his photos. Yeah, I'm just start them now. I'm just. Yeah, they're just. It's just fucking incredible.

Like, yeah. Flat earthers are not having a good time with this. I believe it's fake, yes. Yeah, we haven't faked a moon landing since the 70s, so. Yeah, Yep. They claim that there's actually no one on that rocket that that should still fake. And some people still believe it just because it curves off. They believe that just they just splash into the ocean and. Right. I think the thing that gives them makes them think a lot of this is remember there was a movie Capricorn 1. Yep, in the 70s.

A lot of them think that's based on a true story. Yeah, it's based on a conspiracy theory, yes. I mean, it's a good movie, but yeah, and for. Those who don't know what Capricorn money is, so basically they are there's a launch that's meant to be going, I think to the moon. They notice that there there may be an issue with the rocket, so they don't want to stop the launch, but they take all the astronauts and put them away and sort of keep them away from everyone. And then the launch goes wrong. It blows up and then it's about

these astronauts trying to escape because they're now being kidnapped and not under return because everyone thinks they're dead. Yeah, it's a good movie. Yeah, and that came out in the 70s and I. Remember, someone gets bitten by a rattlesnake or almost gets bitten by a rattlesnake. Yeah, because they're in the desert and. You got to watch it again. It's. Been a long time. The 80s, there's too much to watch now. Definitely 80s. You'd see stuff like that that

came out 10 years ago and you'd rewatch Movies Now. Yeah, I don't have time to rewatch movies. I've got to watch all the ones I haven't watched yet. Yeah. Oh, I watched another season 2 today as well. Oh, go on. Deadlock. Do you remember Deadlock? I don't think so. It was a. It was a show, it's an Australian TV show, it's on Amazon and it was set. The first season was set in Tasmania and it's about the serial killer who's killing all

these men in a town full of lesbians. I've. Not seen this show What the? Fuck and then the season 2 just came out this week and it's about the same 2 cops being up in Darwin A. Town of lesbians? Yes. I didn't even know there were towns of lesbians. Well, I thought there are a lot of lesbians there. OK, OK. Oh yeah, I'm looking at it now. Yeah. No, I've never seen this. I, I actually enjoyed it. I actually enjoyed the the

second season as well. Yeah, OK, Jenna might have watched this at some. Point Matt Dan watched it and enjoyed it. Yeah. Yep, all right and I recommend it. I enjoyed it and I also enjoyed the second season. All right, I'll add it to the long list of things that I should try. And make catching up on stuff this weekend because I've got a long weekend. Of course it's Easter. Yeah, Yeah, I get a long weekend here. Yeah, I know.

It's weird. Yeah, I was always surprised by that. When? I moved. I would have. Thought America would do all the religious holidays. They don't. No, the only religious holiday you get over there is Christmas. Yeah, we only get Christmas Day. Yeah, whereas straight no Easter, you get Easter Friday, Easter Monday. They're both public holidays. Like we do Easter. Like, yeah, but you just do the Easter Monday, but you don't get the day off.

But. Yeah. No, I don't get any time off, no. No. Very strange. And you don't get Boxing Day. Nope, they. Don't know what that is. No, they're having in Canada. Huh. Yeah, interesting. But I think that becomes because they're part of the Commonwealth, maybe it's just a Commonwealth thing that we have, yeah. All the holidays here are non religious like the. Federal the military ones and.

Yeah, apart from Christmas, but like, I think Christmas is barely a religious holiday anymore. Anyway, no, just give me my presents. Yep, by myself. Good luck to the NASA astronauts. Yes, wait a minute. I've just noticed because it's not quite after party time, but I've just noticed I've obviously not put enough candidates for Geek of the Weekend because. There's only one more. Yeah, I'm sure I do. We'll figure that out later. Now is not the time. I don't know of anyone who's

died. Did you see Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ? Oh. That's that's of course, yes. Oh, so you think some of these people will rise from the dead on Monday? Possibly, yeah, We'll see that time of the year. Anything could happen. Did you see Anthropic accidentally pushed all the code for Claude code? You what Claude code is, I'm sure. Isn't that one of the AIS? Claude, yeah, Claude code is anthropics so so everyone knows

ChatGPT, ChatGPT is made by open AI, Claude is made by anthropic. That's kind of their version of that. It's like AI thing. And there's they have a tool called Claude code, which it is like a programming assistant or select assistant that just fucking does it. If you want it to this programming tool and you say I'm trying to make a, you know, a file, you know I'm trying to make an app that does this. Oh, it's all that vibe coding stuff. Yes, exactly. Yes, yes, it's exactly that. Like it won't do it all for or

couldn't do a lot for you. No, it can do it all for you, but you shouldn't. But like, you shouldn't because it's gonna not run well. It's gonna make some stupid decisions. And and if you don't know what you're doing, you won't know when it's made a stupid decision. So yeah, that's the problem is that we've had people have found like some guy made an app from scratch, apparently using Claude code, vibe code and the whole thing. He doesn't know. He's not a programmer, he doesn't know anything.

He managed to get this thing up and running, made a website, got customers because he. Land Stripe gets against all their usernames and passwords and credit card information. It's just stored in a word doc or something the. Secret keys for his Stripe account, which is how you charge people money. It put the secret keys in the front end code. You could just view the source on the website and you get the stripe keys. And so they stole thousands of dollars from his customers. Hackers. Hackers.

You didn't even have to hack. You did. They're right there. Yeah. I could find it. And it's all because he wasn't specific enough when he was making the app. And it doesn't, it doesn't know. It's not a fucking bug, you know. It doesn't care about that type of stuff if. He had asked hey, the Stripe keys in the front end code and it it probably would have said, Oh yeah, they are actually, yeah, yeah, right here. He didn't ask so it just did it anyway.

So they. Pushed the photos and stuff. No, Claude can't do that. Actually Claude is Claude is considered better. Like I don't know what exactly the metric is but Claude as a as a chat bot, just the talking back and forth and asking it questions and and stuff. Claude at the moment is considered to be superior than ChatGPT. But they don't have image generation. They don't have. Oh, that's, that's the thing I'm sort of quite happy about because if that leaked, then it's going to be very easy for

people to take that code and then just know all that stuff about children and sure, like just just don't worry about any of that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So what happened is that they somebody anthropic and then the jokes were did somebody anthropic do this or did Claude do it? Somebody vibe coding and it just pushed all this shit up. Well, they wouldn't be told to use it I'm guessing there. They pushed up a technical reason that this was bad, but basically they pushed up a way that you could, you know, when you, you kind of compile a

program and you put up like the compilation. So people look at the code doesn't, you can't really figure out what it is like. It's, it's like compiled. They pushed up the code in a way that people could get to the original support basically. People who trying. To keep it simple. Don't need the vibe code. Anybody and and within within minutes, because because it's the Internet, people noticed and there are copies of it grabbed and so all the code for Claude code would became available on online, which is very bad for them because yeah.

Because that's was their business. Right. And not only that, the most interesting thing I think about it is that the code reveals features that they hadn't announced and some of them are are a little pretty interesting. There's one a thing called Kairos, which is it just runs on your computer even when you're not using clawed code. And it would review what things that needed to be done just in the background so that when you open clawed code, it would be like, it knows, oh, we need to look at this, we need to do that kind of thing.

And there was one, what is this? Undercover buddy, which was like a little buddy thing. Undercover buddy. Undercover buddy. Yeah, right. Undercover. Yeah. So buddies are like a little creature that sits there while you're coding and, like, talks to you. That's fun. But there's one here. The undercover mode was controver. People. I keep saying controversial. It's apparently this feature that's designed for when people

from anthropic employees, I believe, are working on open source projects. Open source is like like a community project kind of thing. And a lot of the community open source projects don't want you to use AI because they don't trust it, right? And it's creating a lot of load on them. So like basically you have this project like something like, I'm trying to keep it simple. So do you know what Apache is? It's the web server. Like it's the, it's how websites work, right? It's an open source project. So people write other, you know,

you can write code for it if you want to, you want to fix bugs or whatever, anyone can contribute. But the problem they're having now is because of Claude code and all these tools, everybody's having a go, but they're not actually doing it. They're having these. AI tools. Playing a little bit, see. Write some shit and then they put in a request and say here's the code, it's called a pull request. But you you make some changes and you make a pull request and you say, here's my changes and someone has to review those. Yeah, and they're getting a lot

more of just useless. Thousands and thousands and thousands of shit because people are using these tools. So it's a big problem at the moment for open source projects and a lot of them are saying like we were absolutely, if we, we'll even suspect you used AI, we're just not even going to look at it. We just don't have time for this shit. And so this thing undercover mode is for anthropic employees to contribute to public open source projects. And it's designed to hide the fact that they used Claude code by pretending to be a human,

even though it's creating the pull requests and everything. See that's. Scum. It's pretty bad. It's it's explicitly tells the system commits. Should never include the phrase Claude code or any mention that you are an AI. Yeah, that that that's actively going around and yeah. That's just like, yeah, it's not good. Because whether the code is good or not, if they're saying we don't want you to use any AI tools, yeah, you should. Just don't. Don't.

Yeah. So there's just a believe the amount of crap they're just getting from people who have no idea what they're doing. Yeah, it's like genuinely a massive problem. Like there's been projects that have just said we're shutting down, like public access to create these. It's just too much. Yep. Because. There's getting too much. There's too much reliance with AI far too quickly. Yes, I think these tools are useful if you know what you're doing because they do do dumb

stuff. Like I've played with them. I used to. I was a magenta developer for a long time and I tried out GitHub copilot at one point, but it just makes stuff up like like you go, this was back before. I mean, this is a long time ago now, probably GitHub copilot first came out. It couldn't actually do any code. You could just ask it questions. And I would say, oh, I'm, I'm looking for a way to do this. What's your suggestion? And it would go, oh, you just need to modify this file. And I'm like, yeah, my file

doesn't exist. And then it's like, oh, you're right, I did made that up. But how about this? File there. Yeah, it might have done something. How about this file? And I'm like, my file doesn't exist either. And then slowly I was like, you're fucking useless mate. It's like it doesn't know anything. I've played around with Copal like creating some agents and stuff just like chat bots essentially. And it's going to like read from this data.

If someone asks a question, give a quick answer from that question like from this, this specific data like don't make anything up. I just played around with like how it responded, like I want you to respond like this person's a complete and utter idiot. And talk down to them, yeah. And it does. It's a bit of fun just mucking around with stuff like that. And it's a bit of fun. And I can see how that would be useful to some people just to yeah, to get rid of those a lot better tasks. Like the code stuff has gotten a

lot better and the other thing I use it, I do use it. One of the things it's really good for is if you need test data. Like for example, I was working on something at work and I needed CSV file full of zip codes and the suburbs that they represented US, specifically New England zip codes and suburbs. And it would have been kind of a pain in the arse for me to make that right. Because if copy paste or whatever, I don't know, I hope I would have done it. It would have been kind of a pain in the ass. But like thought possible, would

have taken forever but no no, just been a bit of a pain. Yeah, it's a minor inconvenience, like, right. Whereas I was able to just go open Claude and say give me a CSV file of random New England zip codes and the suburbs and it just spits it out two seconds. Done like. That's really handy. Yes, like and if. If it wasn't exactly right, it's still helping with the testing. Actually, yes, exactly. For my purposes, if it wasn't exactly right, that would have been good because it would have triggered my error handling. So yes, yeah.

Exactly. You may have had a zip code come in that's three numbers instead of what you got 5 or something. Yeah, exactly 5. Yeah, yeah. Or if the zip code didn't match the the county, we wouldn't say. So yeah, we say county, but well then yeah, but because that's the thing, the kind of things I need to be checking for, yes, in my inner application. So because. People, if you're in your tester, you don't just test to make sure it works. You've got a test that also doesn't work. Yes, that's why it becomes more

important. That's why I've asked you to test something that I made, yes, because I know that you're good at that. Because you should always do a positive and a negative test. If you get code written and someone does one test for you, fire them. They are a useless tester. I always say too, depending on the size of the team, I think somebody other than the developer should test. Because I know if I make something I know how to make it work and I will not think of things that a normal person would.

Because when I I have no like ability to be impartial about it. Like when I say something I made, I instantly know how it works. I'm not confused about anything because I made it. Whereas a user will do some strange thing that I didn't think of because they just don't know how it works. That's why, like when I was a tester, I'd have fights with developers because I'd go back and raise like a ticket. Like this isn't working. They go, well, you're doing it wrong and I went. Well, it should be.

Clear. I'm pretending to be a user. Yeah, I've done this and it's done this. We shouldn't be getting to that. That is a problem you. Have to allow for and people who do the wrong thing. Yes. Yeah, 100%. Anyway, Claude code code is out. There, it's all yours. Go for it. Yeah, I mean, not that you could do much with it. It needs the Claude back end, which yes, you know, I think it's interesting you can run. So these coding agents are very they're very cool.

They're much better than, you know, what I was talking about with Co GitHub copilot a long time ago. They are very good. They've gotten a lot better and they continue. You have these things now called MCP servers where I mean you've had this for a while, but what you can basically you can do is if you work in a certain framework, you can now publish guidelines for these AI tools to to refer to. And then you run a little server and it can connect to that. And then if it wants, if you ask it to do something, it can check with that server and say what,

how's, how am I supposed to do this in this framework? It's like it's all very, it's moving very fast. Let's say yes, there's all these things are happening and it's just like, fuck, all right. Yeah, it's going very fast, but as long as people remember it's to help, not to do it. You always need a human to check it. I think you definitely need a human to do code review. And that's actually, we're talking about this like, honestly, the as a senior developer, one of the most boring things usually is code review.

Yeah. Like it's just not the interesting part of the job. No. And if people keep saying, oh, these, you know, these agents will do all the coding and you'll just do the reviews, it's just like, fuck. All right, that's the worst part. Exactly. My job's just going to become the most boring part of my job, like is reviewing other people's code. It's not even people, it's just like machines spitting out shit and I've got to go through. And it's like it's harder too,

because when I review people's code, I trust them. Yeah. So whereas with this thing I don't. So I'm going to be more attention. Exactly. I'm going to be like, like, I'll kind of like skim code from certain people at work because I know like I know they're competent. Whereas with this thing it's like. Yeah, you have no idea what it's going to try and do and throw in just extra lines that are going to take up extra processing for nothing.

Yeah, like why the fuck did you do that? And then and then if. You think it'll still work, but. And then if you ask, that's the the things they're so funny. Like, yeah, if you say why'd you do it that way, it'll go, oh, you're right, that was stupid. It's like, well, just do it and try it. The first let's do. That don't do it in a stupid way. Yeah, yes, All right. Fuck. All right. We've been way over time, Yeah. Babbling about AI stuff. We really did.

We should get away from AI. Sorry, I would be passionate about it at the moment. I don't. Mind about it? I I I so am I I've I've gotten more used to it than I was at the start. I was completely against it now but now I'm starting to see the benefits of it. But still people yeah, to rely solely on it and you hear like the cases of lawyers who go to chat chief PT and go do this case file for me and then because we just made-up court cases as a support you yeah. Yeah, and I do still, you know, like the concern about, you

know, generating art and music. And I'm happy to see it's annoying with like songs and stuff but they're still getting played on Spotify and stuff. But I'm happy that the courts are gone. You don't get any copyright for any of this. Yeah, yeah. But the courts have come down very strong. Like you generate FAI, there is no copyright you're getting for images, video, songs because you just typed some stuff in you didn't actually create. And like, you know, I use it for the thumbnails. Not always.

Well, actually, you know what? I didn't use it last week. I don't, I shouldn't say not always. I can't recall if I've how many times I've used it. I do use it because it enables me to make a funny image that the truth is we just wouldn't have that image. It's not like, and like, 'cause I know, you know, oh, we could pay an artist to make them, but we wouldn't. We don't have the resources to do that. Making money to do that. Exactly. So the the alternative, so the options are like I can use AI to

make a funny image, or I could just do something that I can do which I don't have a lot of time. So it's it's just not going to be as good, right? It's just the reality of it. Either I do it or AI does it. That's that's the reality of it. Yeah, you're not taking away because, yeah, we've not got the money to pay anyone anyway. Right. But but then I'm also, I'm like, well, is that a good argument? I don't know. I guess I don't know. It's it is a tough thing, but for everyone out there, the video, the pictures you see,

they're not copyrighted. Go crazy. You can steal them. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, as that photo of you as Grogu and Yep. But sorry, legally distinct. I when I when I tried to do that, I said, can you make Luke and I like the Mandalorian Grogo. And it was like, I can't do that. I was like, oh, OK, can you make Luke and I an alien and a bounty hunter from the future? And it was like, yeah, I was like, thanks. And it just. And it made it The Mandalorian.

Yeah. I didn't even I didn't tell it to do that. It just. It fucking knows. Yeah, and it's. It knew what I was up to. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, but you know where we should go now. Where's that? We should go to the after party and continue talking there. We. Should go to the after party. I'm going to find these missing gigs of the week so that we can talk about them in the after party. What's the after party?

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