Insert Coin: Xbox Cloud Gaming Hour Limits & Tariff Refunds Kept

[music] multiple nerdgasm. >> All right, I'm going to apologize now. I'm a little hung over, so I may not be super heavy tonight. We'll see how we go. >> All right, I've been partying. >> I just drank far too much. I wasn't really partying. I don't know why I do it. [laughter] >> I'm fine drinking by myself. You put me with a lot of people and I have to drink more. >> I see. >> I drink by myself. >> Yeah. I mean, that's pretty normal. When you drink socially, you drink more, right? >> Yeah. >> Isn't that when to stop when I'm drinking by myself? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I stop way way earlier. >> Yeah. Well, >> that's right. >> That's cuz you need to be able to still hold your Xbox controller. H

cuz now I've just lost a day of Xbox. >> I don't know. [clears throat] You've been sick. You've been drunk. What are you doing, mate? >> I don't know. What am I doing with my life? >> Who knows? Well, what's been happening this week? Anything interesting? >> Um, I did read one article that really annoyed me. >> Go on then. >> It's me being upset also at Sony, but also Microsoft. >> Oh, excellent. So remember you had this whole little thing with tariffs of being on everything. >> Well, I I didn't I mean I I I dealt with it, but I didn't you know don't don't make it sound like it was my fault, mate. I had nothing to do >> when the went to court and the judge said, "Look, not legal." >> Yeah. No, you're not do that. Yeah. >> And they refunded all the money. >> Mhm.

>> To the companies. >> Mhm. And the companies are going, "Well, thank you, but we don't think we should have to pass that along to people who paid us that money." >> Thanks. >> And I just >> Yeah, I don't like their argument. [gasps and sighs] >> I mean, the argument is seem Let me guess, right, their argument is because this I mean this is true. >> You agreed to pay that much. >> Yeah, you were happy to pay that. So >> yeah, >> what's the problem? >> I mean, that was that Yeah, there that was the price and you paid the price. I mean, I I don't like it either. I feel like that's very like >> it's on the nose because it's like, you know, come on. We're all Everybody was

talking about how it was [ __ ] and no one wanted to pay it. No, but >> you can't pretend it was just like normal. But >> I also like the fact it's also to >> and people are willing to pay this amount, are they? Well, they did. >> So, why don't we just >> leave the price there for a bit? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I know. I feel like it's like >> it's a gesture of goodwill. They could refund it and I think it would would do a lot for them, but I also think I mean, yes, legally, >> yeah, >> if you want they probably don't have to because yes, they they said tariffs here, the price of X is 10 bucks more or whatever. Yeah, you paid the 10 more and then the tariffs were like, "Well, okay." But that was the price at the time. >> Yeah. We didn't have an option.

>> Yeah. So, I don't know. >> Would you have preferred us to not buy your product during that period? >> No, they wouldn't, but you you'd still have the money if you didn't. [laughter] >> Yeah. I just really think it' just be sort of a pretty great gesture to go, look, we're going to do something with it. >> I agree. I think it's Yeah, I think it's a bit shitty, but I also can see I mean their argument is not wrong. >> No, >> but it's just I just don't like it. >> Yeah, >> you know. Yeah. >> So, that's why I'm upset even with Microsoft. >> Microsoft needs the money apparently. Yes. So, yeah, they're they're scraping things back together. >> I do like in this article they do talk about like some smaller places that are No, we're we're refunding and doing all

this. No, you're doing that because that's good marketing for you now. >> Yes. >> Yes. They need the goodwill. >> Like [clears throat] you're a small company, so this looks great. They're a big company. >> You're still going to buy their product. >> Yes. Yeah. You're not going to stop buying Xbox games over even though it annoys you. >> No. >> Yeah. >> But with Arctic, they might get a few more people going to them now because they go, "Look, we gave the money back." Yeah. >> So, you get more people looking into that. So, yeah, it's great marketing. >> Nintendo. Was Nintendo going to or not going to? >> Nintendo. Um >> I think not going to, right? Tariff, there's a lawsuit. >> Yeah, they're they're going um plaintiffs after court to invent. Uh

they're saying Yeah. same thing like they want to dismiss it. >> Yeah. Nintendo was was early at uh saying, "What money?" >> Yeah. [laughter] >> What are you talking about? >> What What extra? That's just how much the thing cost. >> Yeah. Don't look over there at that truck backing up with the money from that that says love from Trump on it. >> Yeah. Which is also what it sort of seems some people are also saying. It looks like like Trump did all this and then the all these businesses are getting a kickback. >> I'm I'd be very surprised if he did that on purpose. [laughter] >> I mean, >> you don't think he thought that far ahead? I know people will claim that that he does things like that. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I would be shocked. [laughter] I

would be shocked given everything he said about what the tariffs were for and all that. And we talked about that. I already know. I know. We don't have to go over it. >> Like the way he sold them to the public was businesses were going to pay more and that's where it was going to stop. >> Yeah. So, I would say this is not this is extra bad. >> Yeah. >> Oh, look. Well, not from the businesses, I suppose. I don't know, man. [ __ ] it. I don't know what I don't know what he's doing. I [laughter] don't know what he's doing. >> Well, anyway, there's that. >> I um did I send you that can I did I sent you that picture of the can of Mountain Dew. I said Trump's at it again cuz I got a can of Mountain Dew >> today because I've not looked. >> Have a look. Have a look at my um my

Mountain Dew from yesterday. He's at it again. I got it out of the fridge and I was like I was like what the [ __ ] he to be clear that's not [laughter] >> I think it's just a Fourth of July >> thing but it's American dew and I was like what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] >> Oh god yes right Ontario. >> Uh I've never heard of it. Never heard of it Luke. I think you'll find it's called Lake America. >> It wasn't named after Ontario. >> [laughter] >> Don't worry about it. Sorry. Do Do you think he knows that, Luke? [laughter] Don't worry about it. Um, in other Xbox news that people are

annoyed about, >> and this is weird, uh, Microsoft have announced that Xbox cloud gaming, which is, you know, where you can play your games on their servers, which we've said is the future and we think is a good idea and I've used it and it works pretty well, >> except they've now imposed these monthly limits and I was like, "Oh, okay, that makes sense." But then I look at what the limits are and I'm like, "What the fuck?" That's >> So if you're a Game Pass Ultimate subscriber, aka the top tier, >> 15 hours a month, >> nothing. >> What are you talking about? >> Like I don't need more than that, but like >> no >> people who That's like half an hour a day. >> Yeah.

>> Like there are people who I honestly thought that they were >> pivoting themselves to be look everything's going online. We're That's what it looked like in front of it and now it seems like no, we're going backwards. >> It's so odd. Premium 10 bucks an hour and then essential f sorry 10 hours a month. >> Yep. >> Uh and then essential five hours a month. Five hours a month. That's like nothing. And they This is This is a company that makes the [ __ ] games. They know like >> if you play video games I I don't get much time to play. I play more than five hours a month. >> I must do. >> Well, yeah. You'd have to. But yeah, that's not a lot. And now, but you can buy more, but I don't know how much. >> Like, no one wants to do that. Is this Is this a money grab?

>> I I think it is. I don't think cuz they've got the numbers. So, >> and how do you go from >> stream as much as you want to now 5 hours is all you get >> from like this is the future so we're going to embrace it and it's been like you know available to by the way you can only use it a little bit like why >> I thought you were encouraging trying to encourage people to do this >> I can understand the cost of it is probably they were probably eating a lot of the cost at the start >> sure >> and I think they've I realize it's not viable to continue that way, but this isn't going to work. >> So, how much do my GeForce uh what is it called? Cloud

>> uh monthly limit. What is my monthly 100 >> 100 hours like? >> And how much is that? >> It is 200 bucks a year. >> Okay. >> Something like that. >> Yep. Uh, I got a discount at um, 4th of July maybe. I paid like half paid like 100 bucks. >> If Game Pass Ultimate was 100 hours a month, that would be making more sense. >> I I wouldn't I'd be like, "Okay, fair." And I think less people would complain. I think 15 is just like insane. Like it's ridiculous. Game Pass Ultimate are the in theory your >> they should be their the top tier customers in theory, right? That's what that's what they want people buying.

Game Pass Ultimate 15 hours. Like what the [ __ ] >> Like I thought you wanted people to use this. >> Yeah. >> Like this basically if if I was gonna play if I was like, "Okay, I want to play Xbox. I don't have an Xbox. I want to play just on the cloud. All right. What can I do?" Like you can't It's not viable. >> It's not viable anymore. And I think it'll turn people off. >> Yes. >> Playing like, "Oh, that's no good." >> Yeah. >> I can't I can't do it. Yeah. >> It's not enough hours, so I'll just go back to Xbox or I won't play at all. And I don't know change. This is going to change. >> It's Yeah, I think this is insane. I I I don't I just don't understand where this came from. >> Um I don't know if Sony has an

equivalent to this. The cloud thing. I think they do. I've not used it. Um Sony Cloud Gaming. Do they have a thing? Yes, they do. Sony's cloud gaming allows PlayStation Plus members to stream. Yeah, but there's no limit. no limit like it was. So >> yeah, you just >> Is Sony going to start doing it soon as well? >> Maybe you just have to have a a PlayStation Plus membership like it used to be with M with Xbox >> Microsoft. Yeah, you pay your monthly fee and this was a benefit of it. >> In a blog post, Microsoft said it was making the changes because the cost of providing cloud gaming has grown as more people use it and play for longer. Yeah, of course. But >> you But that's what you want.

>> Yeah. >> I mean, I guess it's tough. Like, if they're being realistic and this is what this is really what all they can afford to offer, [ __ ] All right. I guess this is not the future yet. >> No. >> Like, and then maybe this is good because it is it is a reality check. Maybe that like >> No, this isn't the future yet. this isn't viable as >> like yeah we've yeah with everything with like the AI building everything and taking up all the resources probably costing them a lot of resources to >> money time and they've just yeah this is maybe the first effects we're seeing of this bubble starting to burst >> well I yeah because I think the AI thing is is going to be similar like the the base plans of of the AI you know like

you know your $20 a month chatgbt or claude >> like those have to go away at some point. >> Yes. >> There's not >> Yeah. >> maintainable. Like these companies are [ __ ] burning cash. >> Like the $20 is basically you're paying so they can sort of learn off you at the same time. Like there's a benefit that they're getting at the start, but towards the end >> Yeah. But like >> that $3 that's going away. There's no way. >> Like they are not making any money off that. No. >> Like quite the opposite. >> And the amount of money that they're spending. >> Uhhuh. So maybe Yeah, you're right. and and and driving the cost of all the hardware up and and so yeah, I mean this is all unsustainable. >> Well, that's why like all the like the RAM places are going, look, we're not

going to start making more factories or anything cuz >> we in 3 years by the time we set it up. >> Yeah. >> You're all out of business. >> There's no guarantee that that any of these people buying it will be around by the time they get this new factory up. Yeah, it's true. [sighs and gasps] >> When do we get super cheap RAM again? >> Maybe. Yeah, I know. Someone put uh the I'm glad I don't need any I don't particularly need any storage at the moment which is good. I'm glad that I >> like for example my when I bought my new MacBook I say new. When did I buy this? Like it's been a few years now. >> I was like >> I'm going to be an idiot and I'm going to get a 4 terbte SSD in it. >> It's a Mac. So I paid up out the [laughter] ass for it because for some

reason Apple's just like you know what [ __ ] you. [laughter] they were already like >> for some reason Apple's SSDs are just three times the cost of anyone else's. >> It's ridiculous. There's no justification for it except it's just whatever. Um so but I did I got 4 TB so I'm good like on hard drive space in my laptop. Uh I'm good. You know, my server's got uh if I'm more sensible about what I pack up pack back up onto it instead of just being like [ __ ] it just put everything on there. I've got tons of room like I don't need anything. But >> yeah, >> that will eventually run out. And then somebody said memory uh camera memory cards, too. I've got >> I bought >> I've got three camera cards that I could swap between if I need to. >> Y but if I needed to buy a new one, >> man, it's up as well.

>> It's like a dollar a gigabyte at the moment. Like 128 gigabyte SSD card is like $128. It's [ __ ] ridiculous. >> You're just buying them for fun at some point. I swear to God, they were like they were like 30 or 40 bucks each first time and it's like far out. >> That's a It's weird that that's gone up in price. >> Yeah. >> I didn't think that would be impacted. >> Everything, mate. And uh as we've said before, the prediction is that next year it's going to get worse before it gets better because yes, so a lot of this stuff is going to have to change or go away or whatever, but not yet. It's going to get worse first. It's going to get worse and then it's going to come time to repay some of these loans

>> because as we said the the RAM manufacturers are hesitant to build new factories to increase production because they think this bubble's going to burst and then they're going to have built all these factories and then all the business is going to disappear overnight >> and it's not like they can like >> build in a few months like it costs [ __ ] money to build it and they're making a lot of money right now but are they still gonna you know Yeah. >> So, yes, it's just going to get worse in until either it does burst or it just doesn't and eventually the RAM companies will be like, "Well, I guess we better build some more shit." >> Well, yeah. Camera memory cards are stupidly expensive. >> Yeah. And strangely, the advice I think still

is if you need something, buy it now. Do not wait. >> It's going to get worse. >> Exactly. Unless you think you're not going to need it for 2 or 3 years, like as strange as it may sound, now is a still a good better time to buy. >> I'll stick with what I've got and I'll just change cards at the moment. I think I can survive with that. It's not like I use my camera that often. >> No, but even a computer, if you need a computer, people, a lot of people out there might be thinking, "Oh, wait. It depends. It depends. You might have to wait a long time. You might have to wait at least another year or two." >> Yeah. >> Before anything changes. The only good thing is is computers last longer than they used to. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> When we were growing up, it was like

every six months you needed to upgrade something to get the next game to work. >> Yeah. >> That was a horrible time. >> Yeah. I bought this Mac in November 2023 according to the specs here. So that's what almost almost three years ago now. >> Yeah. >> Uh I mean I have no reason to to upgrade it. >> No, >> it's it's perfectly fine. >> Yep. and my phone too. Well, my phone is my camera at the moment, but >> I have no reason to get a new phone. So, >> I guess I'm okay for now. >> For now, >> I'm lucky in that regard. I know there are people who >> who are coming to the end of their >> Yeah. >> life cycle and >> buy on their on their old computer. And then I hate to say it, now might be a good time even though it doesn't seem like it because next year >> is worse time. Yeah.

>> Um yeah, so cloud gaming >> maybe not. >> Uh in other game news, what do we got here? Um oh, the uh the Witcher. >> I saw this as well. >> A lot of good Witcher stuff going on. and >> but also one bad one. >> It's not bad as such because I didn't know this was even happening. And so it's good news in that this is this is a thing that is happening. It's just on hold. >> The Witcher aka the first game >> is being remade >> by the City Project Red. >> Yes. Um, >> which I'm hoping that it's being completely remade and they're making it to be more like Witcher 3 because I would imagine >> Witcher is hard. [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. I never finished it. I got

very close to the end, which I know because I watched a playthrough of the end because I was like, I just need to know what happens. >> Yeah. >> Um, and it was clunky. >> Yeah, >> I really enjoyed it. It's very good. Like there's things about it that are just great that that they even abandoned later. Um like the way that in in the first Witcher game, uh this is in the second one a bit too. It just kind of went away in the third one. Um when you're going to battle a creature, like if you get hired, you know, there's not not just Well, even your average drowners and whatnot, you you you have to figure out what their weaknesses are first. >> Yes. Yep. And then put that oil on your blade and

>> Exactly. So, in the first Witcher one, you got to get books and you've got to read the books. You got to figure things out. >> Did it hold your hand like The Witcher 3 did like he might want this in in in a lot of ways it doesn't hold your hand. It's basically like [laughter] [ __ ] you, figure it out. So, um, and then there's also that very funny thing. This is my favorite thing about it, whereas if you're rude to people, they just won't talk to you anymore. And in particular, the first village you go to, there's a dwarf who's the blacksmith. And if you make fun of him for being a dwarf, he literally says, "Fuck off, cunt." And he won't talk to you ever again. And then you can't talk to a blacksmith until you progress to the next [ __ ] chapter in the game. >> So beware.

>> And Yeah. And you really want to upgrade your weapons in that [laughter] game. >> Too bad you're racist. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But no. Yeah. It's sort of a shame it's on hold, but >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's on hold. They can focus on Witcher 4 and new expansion stuff. Yeah. Um, but >> that's fair. >> Yeah. But it does confirm that it is happening, which is good news cuz >> I think everybody said >> The Witcher could do with it, the first one, cuz it's a great game, great story. >> It is. >> Uh, and a lot of people haven't experienced it because once you go back to it from Witcher 2, Wer 3, and even Witcher 2. >> Yeah. You can't you can't go back. And it's really a shame because a lot of people don't get to if you would Yeah. If

someone's going to play that now after playing like The Witcher 3 for their first game. >> Yeah. >> No, no. Wouldn't work. >> No. No. No. It's Yeah. It's very different. >> It's built on It's a modified version of I think the Neverwinter Nights engine. >> Oh, wow. >> It's Yeah, it's very clunky and old at this point. >> Yeah. Well, I look forward to see when it comes out >> again. the story in it so good. Like I really enjoyed it. And it also um there's plot points in it where it's very non I guess it doesn't hold your hand in the plot either. >> There are certain things about it that you're just kind of left like it'll present you with the facts. >> Yeah.

>> But it doesn't kind of put it together for you. >> Nothing here way point go here. Yeah, it's like you need to be following the story and then you'll at the end you'll understand what happened but if you don't do that you'll be like okay like >> yeah it's not yeah as as we said like it does not hold your hand you it does not go do this do that >> same with movies I think >> you can't you couldn't sit down a casual player couldn't play the game >> you need to commit >> I think it's like movie some not all movies these days but a lot of movies these days you've got somebody there who just explains the plot to you at certain points just in case. Just in case you're not putting these pieces together

yourself. Yeah. Yeah. The first game doesn't have that. >> No. >> Yeah. >> You need to if you don't read that piece of paper in your infantry, you're going to be very confused about what the [ __ ] is going on. So anyway, we get that at some point. >> Yeah. But we get the DLC for which this year, I think, >> and the remaster. I can't believe there's a [ __ ] remaster. So interesting. >> So nice of them. >> Yeah. [gasps] Speaking of um remasters, uh this one not so nice. Apparently there is a re-release of James Pond. Remember that game? >> Yes. >> So I saw an article about this a few weeks ago. Uh I don't think we talked about it, but some company I think it

was on Kickstarter. Um there's a I think or is it No, it's just happening I think. >> Okay. >> It even got crowdfunded. It's a remake remaster remake of um the of the James Pond games. It's called James Pond Legacy: The Pond is Not Enough collection and it's they put a trailer and some concept art out and it's all very AI looking. >> Oh. >> And uh they said no. No, it's not. And then they released a bunch of um progress shots of the art and stuff like that that people were like, >> "No, you've just made in between things of the original art from the, you know, the old old Amigga version or whatever and the AI thing you made and they just cut like it's No, it's not real. Um

>> Oh god. Yeah. I'm looking at the the timeline of the cow. I don't just traced that. >> Exactly. [laughter] You just traced it and erased things from the AI one to make it look like it was a progress shot. [gasps] So now the um the original creator of um James Pond has come out because I guess he has nothing to do with this. And he says, "I hope they choke on an AI generated fishbone." He calls it disrespectful and soulless because uh yeah, very strange. Um Oh yeah, there is the progress shot. Yeah, it's [ __ ] stupid. >> Yeah, it's like so supposed like you you can clearly see that AI doesn't get that the arm cannon is supposed to look like a um a milk. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

>> Yeah. It's It's very obviously. I mean, if it's not AI, they've just done a terrible job. >> Yeah. If it's not AI, this is not the game people are imagining. >> This is a thing at the moment, though. I say I say I I think this is AI uh >> because they've got enough people with eyes on it that it's sensible. But there's a subreddit called uh I think it's is this AI? And that people do now have trouble >> with this >> where they commission something >> and they get it and it's they just can't tell and then so they post it and they go is this AI or is it not and then there'll be an argument about it in the sub it's like >> it used to be very easy all you do look at the hands. >> Yes. But now AI sort of got the hang of that a little bit more and now it's

going to focus more on the background and >> but there are tools that can tell you like OpenAI has a tool that if you >> give it the picture it can tell you oh OpenAI tools we used to make this or whatever. So those that's pretty handy. But >> um in some cases, yeah, I think it's not so simple because the other thing people do and I think there's a question about whether this is okay. Like if you're an artist and you have AI do a draft >> and then you elaborate on the draft, is that okay? >> Luke, >> I [laughter] don't know. >> I think a lot of people would say no. I I'm leaning towards no because >> I don't know because a lot of people use that for writing too now. Journalists and stuff use it for writing too. So I think it's it's I mean I would argue

it's the same thing. You're having the AI figure out the broad strokes of a thing and then you're going in and and enhancing it with your flavor. >> At the end of the day, I don't think it's going to matter. M >> Elon Musk is going to build his billion robot army. They're going to put AI in that and we're just replaced. So >> yeah. Yeah. Guess get used to it. >> It just We're all replaceable now. >> I saw someone post on um a read subreddit the other day. They made a a game. They said, "Oh, they made a little adventure game." And then uh link to it on Steam and then the screenshots. It's obviously all the art is AI generated and then people were like >> uh maybe rethink this like because the

question is that art's AI generated so what else did you did you make any of this yourself >> because it is you literally can at this point sit down and say make me a game and it will >> but then it might just be a case of he did make the game but >> didn't know the art side. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and that's that's fine. Like you you have to disclose that on the page and like you know some people don't mind it, some people don't like it. >> Like but it's just I don't know. I feel like at a certain point >> like if you didn't do any of it, >> then how are you selling it? >> Yeah, maybe don't Yeah, maybe don't put it up because it's kind of That's a little embarrassing, isn't it? >> I don't know. It's weird. I It's weird. >> Yeah.

Don't no don't care for us. >> But no, this James Pond, I honestly think this is not It's nice that they're going back and remaking this game because I do remember James Bond, but going back and making it to even if this is their intended outcome for what it's going to look like. >> It's not taking me back to remember that game. It looks horrible. >> Clearly, no one likes it. >> Yeah. would have come better with like that still having that retro feel to it instead of this >> 3D that's big right now. Yeah, that stuff's big. >> Use um >> so why not go down that path? That would be fine. >> Yeah, arguably better. But >> yes, what do we know? >> Nothing apparently. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I do know? >> What do you know?

>> You don't own your games, mate. [sighs] >> Yes. Unfortunately, that is true. >> Sony has come out and said people are aware of it and uh and uh they've got this class action lawsuit. >> Mhm. And um the lawsuit says that Sony or the PlayStation store doesn't make it obvious enough that players are merely purchasing a revocable license to play a game, aka they can take it away from you >> rather than owning the game. Uh it says specifically fails to clearly and conspicuously disclose to consumers at the point of sale that these transactions do not convey ownership of the digital game. It argues the company relegates this information to

inconspicuous text or separate agreements to that consumers are not required to affirmatively acknowledge. Sony says, "Nah, mate, you knew what you were getting into." >> Uh, which is a load of crap, but also true at the same time. >> Mhm. >> It's only really just become apparent that people are now starting to understand, oh, we don't we're buying a license. We're not buying the actual game. It's only >> Yeah. I mean, we know because we've talked about this a lot over the years. Uh, but I don't think it's common knowledge. >> No. And look, when you do go on to something that says confirm purchase, you assume you're buying that product. >> When there's a buy button, people think it's buy, but you're not. You're buying a license. And it does say it, but it's not like

>> it's not for they basic. They've got a screenshot of the Sony page here. And by selecting confirm purchase, you agree to complete the purchase in accordance with terms of service and you first acknowledge that the purchase of this digital product amounts to a license subject to a software product license agreement. >> People don't know what >> No, no. I'm buying the game. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how it's always worked >> traditionally and people didn't realize it was different. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> What was the first thing that really I think hit people was mythbusters. I think was the big one that sort of hit people where that was taken off some product and it was just no, we're taking it away from everyone. Like it's not

just you can't buy it anymore. Even if you purchased it, it's gone. >> Yeah. >> That's the first big one where people started to find out that it's Yeah. You're not >> I mean this has happened on iTunes for a long time. I think it was just not as common and not as like um not as I guess >> I I I think with iTunes it was something not new. >> Terminator 2 was the big one a long time ago. >> I um I'd purchased the Scott Pilgrim soundtrack. >> Oh yeah. >> And then I went to go listen to once and a few of the songs were gone and I went, "Oh, that's odd." But thought nothing of it and then it wasn't until a lot later went, "Oh, hold on. They lost the rights to that." And I >> Yeah. I bought albums on on iTunes many

many many years ago and they're not >> available anymore like and they just are gone now and it's like hang on a minute >> like >> I think you got hit when you transferred to America. >> I did. Yeah, they fixed that though. >> They did fix that eventually, but yes, I did. I had to keep both accounts and I had to switch between them for a while until they allowed you to do a transfer. But they did fix that. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Um but the big one was Terminator 2 because at some point Terminator 2 was available on um iTunes and I had bought it through Movies Anywhere. Movies Anywhere was that one. It's owned by Disney I think where you buy and it gives it to you on all the platforms.

>> Yeah. But something happened and um the license I think for whatever company had the license before lost the license and it got transferred to another one and it basically just disappeared from a bunch of people's libraries and I guess it wasn't as big as a news of a new story at the time because it was just that one movie and it was kind of a niche >> Yeah. >> thing. But that was the one of the very early ones that I was like, you know what, [ __ ] this. I'm not buying these on here anymore. >> Yep. >> Cuz I'm not buying them. >> No. And because the annoying thing is like when Xbox was selling movies, I was occasionally buying like, "Oh, I'll buy that. It's five bucks on special. I'll buy it and I might watch it one day."

But then it got to a point like, "No, if I'm buying it and by the time I feel, oh, I might be ready to watch this in 10 years time, it >> probably won't be there." So, I've just >> Yeah. [clears throat and cough] I used to think >> my thinking now is right if I have to buy it I'll just rent it because unless right if it's with with the way that I consume movies right if I'm going to watch a movie >> I'll either sit down and I'm going to watch it right now. >> Yep. >> Or I can't guarantee when I'm going to watch it. >> So it's not worth me buying it on one of these platforms where like you said it might be gone by the time I get around to watching it. So, unless I'm sitting

down right now if I can't get it from somewhere else [laughter] >> then I'll just rent it because it's like what two or three bucks instead of 10 and like I don't know if I'm going to watch it next week. So, [ __ ] it. Like I'm certainly not going to watch a movie twice. Do you know what I mean? I don't have time for that anymore. So, there's no buying them is kind of pointless. Well, that's why that's why there's sort of this resurger of people going back to physical media, but even then, you're not guaranteed because >> well, think about all those people had those big VHS collections. And we know someone who has a big VHS collection. >> Yeah. >> Buying a working VHS is actually hard to do now. So,

>> I've got one, but yeah, it's I mean, they don't make new ones, I don't think. Well, they probably do now. They might do, but it's going to be the same. Like they can just stop >> making Blu-ray players >> or like uh HD DVD. >> Yeah. >> What are you going to watch those on? That went away. >> Your laser disc. >> Yeah, Blu-ray could go the same way. And will eventually obviously Blu-rays. Well, look at Sony. They're not putting the drives in the [ __ ] PlayStations anymore. >> How long do you think they're going to make Blu-ray players? >> And remember, the reason why Blu-ray was such a big thing was because of the um PlayStation 3. Yeah, >> cuz it came with a Blu-ray player. >> Yeah. So, I think I think unfortunately this is inevitable. >> Yes.

>> Um I think just stop buying them. [laughter] Teach these [ __ ] a lesson. You have to That's a the um what's that argument about? Um, people say, "I I pirate it because I want to I don't want to pay them, but I want to um send them a message >> kind of thing. I still want to watch it, but I I don't want to pay for it." But then the thing is that if they see everybody's pirating it, they know you want it. And so what they actually try to do is prevent you from pirating it. >> Like they're not that they're not making it easier. >> Yeah. You're not actually making the stand you think you are. No, it's sending a mixed message to them because it's like you're saying that like this

thing has no value to you, but you're still getting it illegally, which means it obviously does because you're risking you're risking >> things like if it didn't mean anything, you just >> would boycott it completely. >> Not watch it. Like, yeah, done. >> You're not f not convinced this workound in your head is making this moral, >> right? So, I don't know. I think this whole digital thing, there's not much we can do about it. It certainly makes me rethink buying as many things though, like you said, because I I now before I'd be like, "Oh, this is on sale. I'll grab it." Now, I think >> am I ever going to get around to playing this? >> Yes. >> And if I can't guarantee that I'll get around to playing it, well, then

>> this could be a waste of money because it could disappear tomorrow. >> Yep. >> So, unless I'm going to play it right now, >> I'm not I'm not >> Leave it there. That's changed my buying habits. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Uh Steam >> has had a data leak. >> That's quite a big data leak. >> 12 terabytes is quite big. Uh and I don't I mean how the [ __ ] did they do this? Um a public accessible a publicly accessible end point. >> Uh and no hacking was required. Somebody has managed to slurp up 12 terabytes of data from both complete and beta versions of games including HalfLife uh was it part three the you know the expansion that never came out the canceled one. >> Yep.

>> A bunch of stuff and third party games too. And uh yeah it's very strange. >> Wow. Like how do it's it's sort of strange it's sort of sat there unprotected for so long and someone finally found it. >> Yeah. 12 terabytes is >> just a lot. [gasps] >> Yeah. They found a build of Left 4 Dead from several months ply prior to its actual release which features a different hard voice lines which never featured in the retail version and sections of the map that were altered. >> How did people have so much time to go through all this stuff? >> Well, yeah. I don't know. like to sit down and go compare it to the the game that's released to the what

they found and compare the different lines that were in it and weren't. And >> um it's the Valve related content creator Gabe Follower. Is Gabe Follower his name or what he does? [laughter] >> I'm guessing it might be what he does. I just think it's funny >> because that could also be a a name. No, it it can't be. It's too on the nose for it to be an actual name. >> He's just he's following Gabe Mule. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. It's very interesting. Uh cuz that's like I said 12 terabytes is a [ __ ] lot and somebody's just managed to slurp that down without >> having they were I don't think they doesn't seem like they were too concerned with what the >> what the information was there. If it's like 12 terabytes just unprotected.

Well, it says Valve transitioned to a different storage system in 2013, which is why the data ends at that point, which is I guess lucky for them [laughter] because otherwise it would have been even more. >> Yeah. >> And so maybe this is just some legacy system that's just >> sat there forgotten about or >> 13 years. >> Yeah. Uh includes the entire Steam library from 2003 and 2013. from between 2003 to 2013. Not just Valve games, it's the whole Steam library was only 12 terabytes. >> Yeah, that's interesting, right? >> At one point. Yeah. >> The 2013 that seems small. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz [clears throat] Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Definitely wasn't Games Today. >> No. >> Which Val hasn't commented on it, but uh

that's a thing that's happened. >> Yeah. I don't think there's much for him to comment on. >> No. Yeah, we [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Should have probably uh >> you found that heard that >> we've now fixed it. >> Well, presumably they have. Yeah. >> The only thing that the only thing that I think they'd really have to come out and talk about is if there was customer data in there. >> Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. Well, I guess unless you count um the game publishers as customers, which they are. >> They are, but I don't think it's got their bank account details in there. >> Probably not. Probably not. Um uh I've been watching, uh Silo. Did we [clears throat] talk about this last week?

>> We We have. How is it going? I think the last episode just came out. >> I watched it last night. Last episode of this season. There's one more season. Yes. >> And uh let's just say without spoilers, we got some answers last night, >> but just some more questions as well. It's very good. It's very good. >> So, it did answer some of these questions that you were sort of like >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Last week you were talking like you're hoping that these are all going to pay off because it's setting some stuff up. That's >> I have a pretty good idea. I have an idea of I don't I don't know how to spoil things. Um yes answer a good picture of how things work. Now >> the questions remaining are mostly why and

who's responsible for this? >> Those are the main questions I have now. Why is it like this and who did this? >> Okay, >> it's very good. But but the the functional questions about how things work are mostly answered now, I think. >> Well, I'm going to start watching it now that the last episode's out. So, I'm going to renew Apple. Apple, you're drawing me back in >> because Seance didn't. So, >> I I I got Silos's better than for me. I'm enjoying it. I like it better than Severance. I like Se a good bit, but uh >> yeah, Silo like we're doing like like I probably mentioned, we're re-watching all of it. >> Uh and we're So, we've been watching season 3 as it came out. Started re-watching from the start. We're now

back up to season three [laughter] in our rewatch and it actually gets a little confusing because it would >> we started last night's episode and luckily they have a little recap before but I had to do a little little mental reset of like hang on >> last episode which which last [laughter] episode was the one before this one like >> no I can't wait to watch it because season two while I liked I didn't mind it did lose me a little bit. It felt a bit >> I think >> on the rewatch I really liked season 2 but I think the >> the reason is that you don't quite understand why things are important. >> Yeah. until the end of it. And then on a rewatch, I actually got more out of it because you're you're going, "Oh, okay. Okay."

>> Like, >> okay. All right. Maybe a rewatch, but I'm looking forward. >> It's important. I guess there's a reason that it's >> do showing you what it's showing you kind of thing. >> Okay. >> Yep. All right. All right. Apple, you getting my money again. >> And they've filmed season 4 already. I don't know if we talked about that. It comes out summer next year. And then uh that's >> it's sort of weird that this is happening now like for for so long like with severance where like filming was put up oh we haven't even started filming next season it's years away and now we've got like this which oh we've already filmed it and same with Star Trek Strange News World that's already filmed and >> yeah I think with something like this it was very popular. They're like okay

we're going to make all of it. We know that we are now. Let's just do it because Rebecca Ferguson is very [ __ ] busy. Yes. And >> she's more expensive now. >> Yeah. So, let's just get everyone and like Common and all the other actors presumably. I think a lot of the actors in this will probably go on to do bigger things as well. >> Yeah. >> So, let's just get them all in and get it done because we know we're going to do it. Let's just spend the money. >> Why? We can keep paying him what we're paying them. >> Yeah. It's not going to be cheaper [laughter] in two years. So, let's just [ __ ] do it. Yeah. No, I'm happy about it. >> Ah, man. Great show. >> Yeah. >> Really like it.

>> It's good. Well, there's another show you have on here. Have you actually watched this? >> No, I will, but this is sad. Uh, Spider Noir. >> Um, which I do really want to watch. I just haven't gotten around to it yet. It's been cancelled after one season despite the fact that it's been nominated for a bunch of Emmys >> and uh and everybody loved it. >> I think it was one of these shows that >> like it's winning awards, everything, but the problem is is no one was actually watching it. >> Is that true? Maybe it's true. Yeah. >> I watched the first episode and it didn't draw me in. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. You haven't watched it at all? >> No, I haven't. That's fair. The reason I haven't watched it is not I probably would have except I wanted to watch it

with Jenna and with who watches Zyo. >> So [laughter] it's like it's not like that I'm putting it off as such. It's just a put it in. >> But the way with television shows now it's not like in the old days where you with week to week they you get all of it and they watch very closely to see who's and they make the decisions very quickly now. >> Well, silo's been week to week. be killing me. Um I imagine cage is probably expensive too. >> Yes. >> Imagining that that's the case. >> I don't know anymore. >> Yeah. Do people take a pay cut for TV? I think some TV is prestigious enough now that people do take a pay cut, but >> something like this. >> Like this isn't He's It's not 1990s anymore where Nicholas Cage

>> That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. >> Like what was I don't It's been a while since we've really seen him in anything. >> That's true. >> I can remember. >> That's kind of a joke. >> Not saying that he's cheap, but >> No, no, no. I know. He's done a lot of [ __ ] >> Yes. >> Over the years. >> Have you watched um >> releasing movies, couple of movies every year? >> Have you seen what's the one? Um The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. Have you seen that movie? >> No. >> Oh, you've got to watch it. The one with Pedro Pascal. Oh, that's the one where that scene comes from, isn't it? >> Yeah, you've got to watch it, mate. It's so good. It's such a funny movie. >> It's really good. >> I will watch it. Oh, will I? Can I watch

it on anything? >> Oh, interesting. Yeah, just buy it. Buy [laughter] buy it. >> Uh, Amazon available rental purchase. Ephol rental purchase streaming. No currently subscriptions. >> Yeah. Sucks. >> That does sucks. [snorts] Um, you [clears throat] mentioned Star Trek. >> Yes. >> There's some news here that I'm like gh about. >> They're making a new Star Trek movie. >> And >> are they making the R-rated one from >> Tarantino? >> Tarantino. Yes. >> No. >> No. >> This is um what are these guys? Uh these guys did the Dungeons and Dragons movie, right? Okay. That was a good movie.

>> But the problem is this is the pitch. >> The new Star Trek movie will explore bad apples in Starfleet. That's not Star Trek. There's no like Star Trek. >> We've already sort of had that movie. >> Yeah. And it's [ __ ] Like that's not that's Don't do that. That's the whole point of Star Trek is that No, no, no, no. Human, humanity's figured itself out. >> We're all working together. Gene Rodenberry would not sign off on this movie. >> Like, what are they doing? Like, no, no, this isn't Star Trek. Star Trek is them out in the universe solving like problems with aliens and like >> Yes. Enforcing our will upon the rest of the universe. >> Yeah. Humanity is supposed to be a utopia at this point. They figured everything out like like this whole thing where there's like >> conspiracies and stuff.

>> The conflict shouldn't be internal with Star Trek. And then when they show like, oh, there's all these like poor people on Earth. No, no, no. That's the whole point is that we supposed to have figured that out. Stop it. >> Cuz we got replicator technology, which means you take away worrying about food and everything. And >> yes, >> that's why there's no money on Earth. >> That's what Star Trek is. [laughter] Stop it. >> Like anyway, so I don't know. I just think this is stupid. Yeah, it's but it's the only Star Trek that's in development at the moment. >> Y >> there's nothing else in development which >> I'm heartened by the fact that all of the comments on this were like no

thanks. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> stop it. Stop trying to make gritty dark Star Trek. That's not what the all the successful Star Trek movies aren't this. They're the ones where they go out into space and they do cool [ __ ] >> Yes. [laughter] >> [sighs and gasps] >> Rant finished. >> Yeah. I'm just trying to have a look like Yeah. Everyone sort of like Yeah. Like Jean Roder's vision was to point to the light in the future of space exploration. >> Mhm. I just think it's odd. >> I mean, it's not odd. It's what it's f it fits with what people are into these days, I suppose. I just feel like that not everything has to be like that. >> I'm just wondering are these two fans of Star Trek or if they just Yep. This would be a good career move for us. >> Yeah.

>> So, I think you you look at like J.J. Abrams was honest about it. He was more of a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan. And that comes across when you look at the Star Trek movies he did because they're more like Star Wars movies which >> Yeah. They've got that fast pace. It's Yeah. >> And I think like that worked like they were probably more popular than they would have been otherwise because of that. But I do think it changed what they were. >> Yes. >> Like >> Yeah. >> So, but I guess it's a business. It's not a >> It's a business. We'll just have to wait and see. >> Mhm. But hopefully with all the feedback they're getting, maybe they will just they won't. >> Maybe we can have another go at this. [laughter]

But no, they've already got this already locked in. >> Probably. >> Yeah, >> I don't know. I like I said, I just read the headline and I was like, "No thank you. >> No thank you." >> Um, in other science fiction news, uh, let's do this one first. Ridley Scott, that's weighed in. And uh oh, >> that article's not loading. >> Article's gone. >> That's fine. I read it. I know what I know what Ridley I've seen a few articles about. I'll find another one before we uh >> Okay. So, it's it's I haven't rec. It's out there. >> No, no. Ridley Scott said that. Um [sighs and gasps] so, there's other articles about Did we talk about this part of it? Okay. He's coming back and

he's going to do the third one of the movies that he was, you know, he did Prometheus, Alien Covenant, and then he was going to do a third one and then no one liked Alien Covenant, so he went away. >> Yes, >> he didn't think Romulus was that good, which I agree with. But now he being Ridley Scott thinks he's obviously required to come back and do the one he was going to do with >> I didn't mind Robbie Listen. I thought it was definitely better than his last movie. >> I think Romulus was all I also think Romulus was better than Alien Covenant even though I didn't like it that much. Um and I >> but he's definitely >> sadly Scott used to be one of my favorite directors. These days I'm like okay old man back in your box. Like [laughter]

I don't have any confidence in your taste anymore. So, he's gonna do one >> set after Covenant where >> I know I'm not gonna rant about this again. I I rewatched Alien Covenant a couple of years ago. I had so many problems with it. >> It doesn't explain a whole bunch of [ __ ] >> I don't think making another movie after is going to make it any better. >> No. Well, I'm unless it's the movie in between that movie. Those two movies. >> The one that I want >> you see her flying around on a spaceship with a head and a bag. >> Yeah. No, it's not. It's going to be David after Covenant when he somehow managed to [ __ ] swallow that thing with the alien embryo in it. just [gasps]

>> but look it does to me this is >> to me this is just sort of showing that they are just rubber stamping his name onto movies as a producer >> or it is possible he's just talking [ __ ] and this isn't actually going to happen >> well he was producer of Alien Romulus >> No that's fair he does he's still got a lot of pull but >> I think his name's just on it but it's got nothing to do with him actually being a part of it >> well he does and he doesn't, right? Because the whole point of this was, this is why I think this whole thing is stupid. He didn't want to make any more alien movies. He wanted to make a movie about aliens seeding humanity, like a Charity of the Gods style movie. Nothing to do with Alien or anything like that,

>> but he came but he put it in the Alien universe or some >> No, because they wouldn't let him make it. They wouldn't give him the money. And then he was like, "I want to make this movie." And then they were like, "No, we want you to make an alien movie." So, he took that script that was uh if you if you read what the original script was, it was literally a prequel to um Alien and it was quite good. >> Yep. >> And then he said, "All right, I'll make that then." And they were like, "All right, great." And then he went took it away and he went, "Fuck you." And he just changed it [laughter] all into what he wanted to do. >> Which is which is why it doesn't fit with Alien properly anymore because he was like, "I don't want to do that."

>> But I'll take your money though. >> Right. He doesn't give a [ __ ] that it doesn't make sense. >> No. So, yeah. I just cuz the the only real thing that tied it into Alien was there was an alien at the end for some reason, >> right? It was intentionally disconnected from Alien because he didn't Yeah. And then >> and then for some reason Alien Covenant, he was like, you know, actually it is connected to Alien, but in a stupid way, not in [laughter] a good way. And now he wants to make a third one to really tie it in to show, you know, it's all >> Yeah, >> we'll wait and see. I don't I don't think it's going to get I don't think maybe his p is dying off. >> Maybe. Although executive producer on a lot of stuff.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. I'm going to put this article in place of the other one. >> Yeah. Uh, I put it in the wrong section. Let me put it right up here. Sorry. I know this is not interesting to people. [laughter] All right. And then this one can [ __ ] off. [snorts] There we go. All right. Excellent. Now I can read the article. >> This one's a bit more harsh on Ridley. The headline for this one is Ridley Scott wants to help Alien after Romulus was better than his films. [laughter] Not wrong. Well, actually, I like Prometheus. I like Prometheus despite Yes. I It's one of those things where I know why it's the way it is. So, I'm like I can just ignore the fact that

it's like Yes, it's >> I still remember for the longest time people were on like the Space Ax and No, the Space X made sense. >> Yeah, that was not the biggest problem with that movie. >> No, the the problem with that movie is that he was he just said, "Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll make it that alien movie." And then he just made it turned it into what he wanted. Like that was the problem is it should have been one or the other. >> Yeah. >> It should have been the alien movie that they had written which was the script quite good >> or Ridley Scott's movie about aliens creating humanity. >> Not this hybrid. >> When when he smooshed them together [laughter] he [ __ ] it up. That's the problem. >> And we never got the sequel we wanted. >> No. Sad news.

>> Star Wars fans. Yeah. Phil Tippet, famous Phil Tippet who uh who created many many many many of the special effects for the Star Wars films and and other films >> uh has gone bankrupt and has have to shutter his studio. >> Oh god. >> Uh >> I sort of can understand why with everything going to >> I thought it was a big resurgence of practical. >> You would think so. Um but uh yeah, no he created stopmotion animation. Um sorry, a Hollywood effects wizard with a specialty in stopotion animation has rendered aliens, machines, and monsters across Star Wars, Robocop, and Jurassic Park. In 1984, he and his wife found a Tippet Studio, a visual effects shop

that has contributed to dozens of blockbusters. Like they've done so much stuff over the years, like just really, really incredible special effects stuff. True. >> You have seen their work. I mean, I'd be surprised if you're a Star Wars fan, you don't know the name Phil Tippet because he's such just such a big part of everything. Um, but just not people aren't, I guess, using the stuff that he um does anymore. Sort of a shame because now whenever you see a movie come out that's all practical effects, people go, "This looks so much better." >> Right. Yeah. Because it's it's just looks different on camera. like the fact that it's physically there. >> Yeah. >> Um but so so they've had to um shut down the

company, but they're selling off a bunch of stuff. Um which I I don't know exactly under what circumstances, but like if Oh, it's in the past, [ __ ] Did this already happen? >> Yeah. >> Just publish it so that actions already happened. Yeah, they liquidated all of the stuff. So, if you click here, I'll put this I'll put this in here as well if you want to have a look and be sad about the fact that you didn't get any of this stuff. >> There was no way I was going to be able to afford any of this stuff anyway. >> Tip it stuff cuz I'm guessing it didn't sell for

cheap. Probably not. So, there. Click through there and then you can see uh scroll down and then have a look at some of the stuff that >> [gasps] >> And then if you expand that out, >> yeah, >> AT80. And it's an AT80, not an adat. >> Just a lot of stuff. Like so much stuff. Some of this is obviously actual movie props and like little stop motion animation figures from things. Uh some of it is toys based on things that he made. Oh, the Cronin from uh Hellboy. His helmet. like again just they just made so much >> I think I know why he went bankrupt. He must have been renting so much space to store all his [laughter] stuff. [cough] >> But yeah, it's just uh Yeah, it's just sad. It's a shame. >> Yeah, just so much stuff. Yeah, just this all

went for a fortune. I know it. >> Oh, of course it always does. But [sighs] yeah, >> I would love it more. you would you would have appreciated it. >> But yeah, >> mission. >> Well, before we head over to the afterparty, there is something I want to mention. It's followup. >> Okay. >> About our friend Alec Baldwin. >> Has he shot anyone else? >> Not that I'm aware of. He's not been caught shooting anybody else. >> Um, >> you still you got to run into him one day and you have to get an interview. >> I'll do my best. Yeah. Uh, well, there's a documentary coming out about the trial and >> about the trial. >> Yeah. And I think this could be good

because, uh, I watched the trial >> and it was slow and boring mostly, but with bits of very compelling stuff happening. >> Yep. particularly around the story about, you know, the bullets and how somebody turned in the bullets and said these were given to me and I was told just to hold on to them and blah blah blah. There's a whole thing about how basically the the cops [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Um and that's the reason basically uh >> it all just got thrown out. Got thrown out, didn't it? >> It got well the case against him was dismissed with prejudice. AK Yeah. Yes. Thrown out. He can't be charged with this crime ever. It's he's he's done. It's he's free.

>> Yeah. >> Uh and no, I mean, he wasn't responsible. [clears throat] >> I I don't think like I know that yes, he pulled the trigger and and he went on TV and said he didn't, but that was just he was not mentally well and because of it all like >> and that was the worst thing his manager or whatever did for him is get out there and talk about it. >> I think they told him not to. I think they told him not to and he said, "No, I'm going to do it." >> Oh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's the worst thing he ever did >> because he said a bunch of stuff that made no sense and then and he just didn't need to because the reality of it was that it turns out >> I'm sure this documentary will reveal

the details. Okay, this is my recollection of it. Yep. >> There were people on set using the guns to shoot at cans and stuff like that when they weren't supposed to. >> The armorer I think had the real bullets after basically a real bullet got left in the gun. >> Mhm. >> Many many people are responsible down the chain for that and ends Alec Balden and you know people will make the argument he should have checked. >> It's not his job. We can discuss whether It's someone's actual job to go, "This gun is safe." He goes, >> "I think if you're on set and you're an actor, I guess I know he's a producer as well, but on that particular in that moment, he's an actor on set and he's been handed a gun, right? He should be

able to assume >> yes, >> this is safe because someone I'm on a set. I'm on a film shoot. I'm going to be pointing this at people. I'm pulling the trigger. >> I should be able to assume somebody's double checked that this is safe." I don't think you can blame him. That's just my opinion. Um, >> no, I I agree with that. >> And then the the trial they found that the bullets had been given to somebody to take care of, aka hidden, I [laughter] think. Uh, and then that person had eventually thought something's not right. Took them to the police >> and the police filed them under the wrong case number. They made a new case by mistake or were trying to for whatever reason. >> Yeah. >> They they filed under a different case

number and then the bullets disappeared for a while and then during the trial the the subject of the bullets came up and the prosecution tried to say, "Oh no, that's not relevant." And the judge said, "I want to see the bullets. Bring the bullets." And so they bring literally bring the bullets into the courtroom and they compare them to the bullet that shot >> uh what's it the cinematographer and the same bullets and the judge was like you [ __ ] up like >> case dismissed with prejudice like yeah he cannot be tried now it's impossible >> which I for me he should never have been on trial. The armor was the one >> and I think if they had the bullets it would have been very different. That's what the judges the whole point was that

the judge said like you [ __ ] this case up like we should have had these bullets. >> Yep. >> It would have been very Well, so she did get prison time >> and I think she's appealing on the basis that that that happened. But I don't know that that'll work because the evidence [laughter] that made Alec Baldwin innocent makes her look guilty. So it's kind >> makes her even guiltier. >> Yeah, maybe just leave it. Like you were the armorer who was letting people [ __ ] around with the guns. >> Yeah. >> And then were in charge of making sure that the guns were safe and the gun wasn't safe. Like that's little >> her own. >> I can understand her thinking, well, hang on. If they [ __ ] the case up, does that mean I also

>> get So, but I I don't know that would go well because like again, the evidence that messed the case up >> incriminates her. So, >> yes. >> Yeah. So anyway, this documentary about the court case and presumably about the the shooting itself uh has been uh let's see let's see the rights have been given to Rory Kennedy um who is a Oscarinning documentarian and so he will be making this documentary the trial of Alec Baldwin. Well, documentary I'm guessing most of the footage has already been filmed in. [snorts] >> Well, it's I assume it's footage of the court case. Yeah. And then probably interviews and stuff, too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I I I probably might watch this. >> Oh, it's coming out in October,

actually. You know what? There you go. It's even It's even more uh more complete than I thought. It's coming out in October. >> Excellent. >> Yeah. >> Got a couple of months. >> I think it'll be interesting because like I said, mostly the court case wasn't very interesting, but there were a few moments that I'm glad I saw. >> Yes. because they were just so to me like [gasps] >> like >> well that's what court cases are. They're not not a lot happens for a lot of it and then >> cuz even with even just interviewing someone um asking them questions, you have to set a lot of questions up to confirm who they are and what their job is like until you get to the important stuff. >> Yeah. And just watching the judge question the prosecutor about those

bullets and watching her clearly realize, oh [ __ ] [laughter] like we screwed this up. And then the moment when the judge said, yeah, case dismissed with prejudice. And you can just see Alec Baldwin being like, oh my god, thank [ __ ] that's over. Like, >> well, he's probably having that over, but even like he went through a lot during that time. Like he at the end of the day, he did shoot someone and he's not h that would have been hard on him. >> Yeah, I know. People People were very hard on him about it. >> Oh, hello. >> Why? What's up? >> Okay, just a minute. Well, on that note, let's head to the after party. After >> party, this needs to take a couple of minutes and then we'll head to the after party. >> All right. Um,

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