PAX East 2020 with Jenna and Matt

hello listeners and Welcome to our PX East 2020 wrap up episode my name is Matt and my name is Jenna we are a little bit delayed in this um because of the global pandemic yeah things got a little weird after packs well I bit before packs things got weird right I think they were a little bit weird to begin with uh just not uh to the magnitude that they are now because there were some um articles about uh criticizing people for still going ahead with packs yeah yeah a lot of companies pulled out so we didn't get to see uh Sony at all at packs they just didn't have any stuff there uh which was weird there was a lot of space on the floor I guess just because Sony wasn't there well I think a lot of other companies

pulled out as well but yeah it did make it quite nice and um open to walk around on the floor yeah it's weird to look at it as a positive but it like in that sense yeah it was it was nice having uh having some nice big clear areas to to stand in I think a lot of attendance didn't go as well yeah it seemed really quiet especially on um Thursday and Friday I thought those days are historically quiet but they were pretty empty yeah this I mean I've never seen it at that quiet in fact I was kind of shocked on Thursday just at how quiet it was uh oh in Square Enix I think the they didn't have any of the Japanese team there they still had booths but no not the Japanese team it was all in all it was a little odd I guess just just because of all that and they had a lot

of Crews going around wiping things down some more effectively than others every Booth had a giant thing of hand sanitizer that said something like people are gross or wash your damn hands yeah and we got uh people were giving out hand sanitizer I think they usually do it's just that I noticed more this time like like the the hand sanitizer with the company logo on it I'm sure they probably always have those it's just this time I was like oh yes I want that but we uh we did not get sick which is good no I think if anything it was cleaner and uh there was no PX plague this year yeah not that I'm aware of I think yeah normally we get like a cold or something afterwards but we've been fine which is good but yeah but things have been a little weird in the world in

the weeks since but we hit out what was your favorite thing of packs my favorite thing probably was the Acquisitions Incorporated panel I just really like those okay and this was a particular good one cuz Mike I think does a really good job when he takes when he he runs you know when Jeremy Crawford or or back when it was Chris Perkins running it whenever they couldn't make it he'll sometimes take over and I think he kind of puts in a lot of effort and uh in particularly in this case I've never I've never seen a d and game live with quite the amount of stuff going on on this you know he had like a big display behind him with animations and things that he was controlling and and it was like I don't know it was really good A D and D live show possibly

the best one I've seen I like when he does it because it's always a kind of a standalone episode of it um because I only really watch the ones that we go to live uh cuz it's just too much to keep up with otherwise so I like these ones because you can just jump in not know the characters or the story or anything and then it ends yes yeah cuz you're not really one to listen to D and D on in podcast form or anything like that right that doesn't well I just don't have the time yeah I barely have time to play it yeah true and and a D and D podcast I mean historically is 4 hours generally speaking right so yeah it's a big commitment so this one was an adaptation of the Mandalorian uh for D and D for

their characters which I guess if you listen to this and you know what Pax is you probably I mean you would have heard us talk about it and you can look up the details of all that but I just think he did a really great job uh it was very funny it was [ __ ] hilarious actually and uh very entertaining I like the way that they play d& D I know that they're all Comedians and actors and everything but I like the uh they put a lot more effort into storytelling and even the way that Mike or Jeremy Crawford when they run it they're not just giving you endless things to fight so it's not just like oh and then another skeleton and then another one and then this and then uh if they feel like a fight is going on too long they'll just cut it and add some Exposition that somehow makes it

end I like that yeah I think Chris Perkins used to do that all the time and that's when I first noticed that Chris Perkins is very good at it I think it just keeps the game from getting stale yeah totally and if you're not into just dice rolling then which I guess I'm not so much either than it it also for a live show it's way more entertaining to hear them kind of improv than it is to see them roll dice sorry but it still feels like they're playing D and D because I know I've played some games where it's like if it's not fighting heavy then you're just kind of talking to NPCs and there aren't other checks like roles to to perform checks I like the way that they have a good mix of it we'll just have to and by we I mean I will have to incorporate that into D and

games so what was your favorite thing of the of the show well the thing that I looked forward to most was the super giant panel they actually had two so the first night Friday night they had a concert so I think they've only done this once or twice before four I think they did it in London and then at Pax West Prime yeah PAX Prime yeah yep well it was Darren Corb who is the composer for super giant games and Ashley Barrett who has been working with him at super giant since the beginning so the two of them have done all the music for the four games games that super giant has now put out Bastion transistor py and Hades and they're my favorite game company I love all the games they put out and the music is really well integrated into all of their games so

the first night they did the orchestra and then the following day they had a panel with uh the two of them and Logan Cunningham who is the voice actor for super giant so it was really fun to see all that and to see the Music performed live and Corp is just such a nice guy and you could tell that he was having this Orchestra play his songs was like a profound moment for him yeah it seems like Darren's just a really sweet guy who's genuinely humble and kind of overwhelmed by his success I was really surprised actually because after the concert on the Friday night um they did a signing and previously I've U met him we I I've actually interviewed him a couple years ago and that uh I think you can find on our website yep in the past when I've met him we kind of just went

right up to the booth and said hi and chatted with him um this time there was a line for hours like yes they shut the line down because they ran out of time because they needed to close the venue at midnight mhm um and then had to do an overflow the next day yeah it was crazy but the nice guy that he is he remembered us from years prior yeah he's honestly like he's so nice like mind-blowingly nice I'm not sure I would be as like P like and so patient like they were there for so long I would lose my mind I know and they were having technical difficulties too with the computers trying to sell their stuff like yeah yeah it's a little bit overwhelming but I feel like the whole team they they handled it really well

they're so nice they're yeah they talked to each person that came through so that that was a really cool thing I'm glad we did that despite standing and waiting for so long it was just nice to oh yeah really happy for them like because as a company I'm I'm glad that that they can exist as a company and be successful because you know they kind of the opposite of your kind of AAA Studio almost like they just do what they love kind of thing it's not doesn't feel like commercial you know what I'm saying yeah and four games in they still have a very small core team um and I I like that but if uh if you've never played any of games I kind of recommend playing them in the that they were released but the newest one um is actually really fun and I've been playing it now it's not

completed yet it's still in Early Access but I don't feel like that takes away anything from the game it still feels complete when you're playing it but it it it just means that every month or two they add new features which is pretty cool it's on Steam it is on Steam yeah yeah most of their games are PC um they have ported them over to Bastion and transistor are on the switch um Bastion is on on Xbox and I think they might at least the first two Bastion transistor are on PlayStation as well yeah they're also on uh iOS oh that's right Bas and transistor yeah they actually and they just released um if you have Bastion on I iOS already they the original version of it was made by some other company like it was ported by some company and apparently there were a lot of

performance issues like super giant just released their own like build of it and it's runs much better and it's actual you know actually supports all the new devices properly and everything so and it's five bucks so you I mean yeah there I mean bastion's a pretty old game now but I played it again recently and I I still think it holds up oh cool I I mean I've never played all the way through it I played a bunch of it on the 360 back back you know I don't however long ago but I never finished it so I got to get my act together and do that yeah yep yeah uh as usual we went and saw all the penny I panels you know cuz we we love those guys the Q&A panels uh they're always funny and I feel like once again I'm sort of disappointed and feeling a

bit old by how easy it is to get into those panels versus how difficult it was even just five six years ago you know what I mean yeah definitely yep I know for the guys who started at all yeah and uh I mean obviously they're still they're doing fine they're doing some good stuff and they've branched out they've got like twitch and and you know all their Associated things now and they're doing huge things with like d and d and everything so it's all it's all good the Q&A are always funny uh and this the themes are always weird and ridiculous I like this Gil but Sol thing that had going on this time I um I do really like how in their um make a strip panel now they hold so at every uh live show they'll draw um a hot dog fairy I'm not sure where that

originated but that will be somewhere in the strip but um remember where that came from they've now started kind of holding it hostage and I think this started actually at one of the packs on plugs that we were at where um they said they would only draw it if if the donation amount for Child's Play got up to a certain amount usually around like $10,000 or something and it always does and it always makes it there by some very small incremental amount until suddenly it makes the jump that someone in the audience has just donated $5 to $10,000 so this year I think the Max like the minimum was set at 20,000 and it kind of just all of a sudden jumped up there yeah I don't know who this mystery person is it's the same person every year

or if it's you write in and let us know podcast mgm.com because this happens every time yeah damn we'll draw you a fairy yeah that's right I can't I can't draw but I'll do my best the clam Chow a fairy this time and then also a Boston cre oh my God it was disgusting Mike's really good at capturing what it is that's horrifying about the food like oh about everything did you see the pins they made this year of himself and Jerry oh my God yes like the the worst possible versions of them what what they what were they calling that I can't I'm not sure yeah yeah they're just horrific hilarious though I did like that tweet of Jerry's that said like my best friend in the entire world Drew this picture of me yeah Y and then the other panel that we

went to was the gearbox panel yes which I'm glad we made it to this year last year we missed it because we thought nothing happens on Thursday let's skip that one day just go to work and uh they moved gearbox from the Sunday that it's always been on to the Thursday I'm not sure if that's just in a way to get more people there on one of the quieter days maybe H it didn't really work I guess if that was the plan um but it's great too late it's too late at that point yeah they didn't release that's what happened last year they didn't release the schedule until just about a week before and by that time there was no way I could get that day off of work uh so this time I kind of expected it and I planned for it the gatebox panel is almost like a rock concert these days

it's a little like I don't know it's very like I mean I love it but it's very very showy you know what I mean it's not like you get these very dry panels about video games where someone gets up and talks about you know this is the new game and blah blah blah whereas gearbox is like no this is like a Vegas show or something yeah and I Randy yeah exactly I got to assume that's ry's influence cuz he's like a showman magician kind of kind of thing yep and there's always like a check under your chair or some kind of thing like that um yeah this year they gave away some golden keys for the games and then I believe some skins as well yeah we have G we should claim those I forgot about it we should we should do that M but they announced the new [ __ ] DLC oh my God it look so

good my God they're killing it right now I think uh this video is now available online too so you can watch the trailer for it love guns and tentacles it is the marriage of way Wright and hammerlock and it looks like a lovecraftian nightmare it's so good yeah it's got like floating tentacle monsters and weird [ __ ] uh yeah I'm super excited oh Gage makes an appearance in it she's like The Wedding Planner I guess yeah yep yeah and they did like a live uh performance of the I guess the intro sequence I don't know if they're actually even going to make this but they all they acted out all the voice actors yeah uh the introduction to to the DLC so I I don't know if anything's going to come of that but it was all the voice actors yeah they acted it out and

then um Eli Roth uh showed up yeah cuz he actually they announced he is directing um the Borderlands movie yeah I don't know how they're going to make a Borderlands movie but okay I'll watch it yeah just a lot of shooting I guess but Borderlands has a very particular visual style that I mean they I I guess it's early days but are they going to try and do that or are they going to just is it just going to look like a normal film or all right and what could the story be yeah exactly because Borderlands is kind of funny because it makes fun of the fact that it's a video game so I don't I don't know I'm just I'm not I mean maybe it'll be great probably it'll be entertaining at the in some form with

even if it's terrible but I just I'm just confused about as long as it has boner farts in it then we're good yeah yeah yeah I'm interested to see it I mean Eli Roth I'm not a fan of all of his films but he does seem like a fun guy and I guess if anybody's going to make a Borderlands movie it might as well be someone who at least has a [ __ ] sense of humor I'm pretty excited I I'm a fan of most of his films so yeah Ian yeah like they didn't show anything they basically just said Hi here's Eli Roth he's going to do it and then he made a a joke that maybe is real or maybe not about getting all the cosplayers to come down so we can film them being killed and then that's about that's all we know about it at this point that yeah so most of our time this

Pax was spent in the panels yes but we did go down to the floor a little bit we got to hang out with some of our friends from previous paxes mhm Robin Anthony from three flip Studios they've we talked about in the past they've made armed in gelatinous and now they actually handmade a bunch of arcade cabinets yes they are [ __ ] cool they've actually been traveling the country setting these up at various video arcade so if if you're into arcade gaming and you're in sure there's one in Chicago there's one down in Florida just check it out check your local arcade so you've got on there and take a couple friends check it out cuz it's [ __ ] awesome also bonus the arcade machines have cup holders yeah you were very excited by I am very excited about that

I don't know why that how has it taken this long for that to I know this just seems like Common Sense especially like if you're serving drinks at your you know your uh your your arcade which a lot of them are these days cuz let's be honest I think more adults go to arcades these days than children so yeah cup holders people I just I just wish the pinball machines would had would have cup holders my one thing you don't have to block your field of vision with a with a well you can't put it on there it'll just slide off yeah cuz most arcade machines are angled so there's nowhere to put anything you have to put on the floor and then you knock it over so great job guys speaking from experience um but still a great fun game I love I love getting to play it every

time we see them I like it's one of those games that even if you can play with a bunch of strangers and by the end of it you'll like love hate each other just because it's like it's it's a good party game we met Tom from Tiny mations he's the developer of a game called clang U the first clang I believe has been out for a while but he's he's currently working on clang 2 which he was showing at PAX East uh and cuz his Booth was pretty busy so he was kind enough to send us a a key to check it out and I've been playing it and it's [ __ ] cool it's like uh a rhythm game which I am traditionally not a huge fan of like you know like Guitar Hero and those kind of games I'm not super into but this one is different because it's more like a platformer that you have to

control in time with the music you know what I'm saying okay so like you control the character on the screen and you have to like swipe click and hold in time with the music the indicators pop up on the screen and like it's fun I thought I was good at it because I was getting like 90% And then I saw uh in their Discord Channel you were on easy or something no there were people in there with like 100% And I was like ah [ __ ] oh so I guess I got to try harder but it's not out yet it's just in in beta and uh I think he's still working on it looking for some feedback but keep an eye out for that it's called clang 2 and it's it's got these really trippy visuals the music's really great it's like it's going to be cool cool so keep an eye out for that I had one more um video game

that I wanted to talk about um it was by a Polish Studio Walkabout games and it was called liberated it is uh a comic book game so you all the um Exposition is kind of delivered by the panels of a comic book and then when it gets to a part with uh action you are playing within the panel yeah um so it's a cool original idea it is I think just the right amount of frustration and difficulty yeah um it was tough where it's it's tough but it wasn't so tough that you just want to rage quit it it's It's just tough enough that you're like oh I can get through this I can do it yeah I really liked that yeah he was saying that he he's a comic fan but he feels Like Comics uh you know on the way

out yeah they're dying medium so he thought he could kind of merge uh video games Comics H that's a really good idea yeah and it's got a cool dystopian kind of film noiri detective setting yeah like kind of like a little cyber Punk but more ellian I guess mhm uh that is also not out yet but it is coming out soon I believe on Steam but look for that one liberated it was really the art that Drew me over to it yeah the banana was very uh very eye-catching and kind of up your up your alley so to speak they had a really big Animal Crossing Booth very fancy and there was lines around the block for Animal Crossing uh it's out now so possibly if you're interested in it

you've already heard about it I mean it's Animal Crossing I don't know I mean you uh you arrive on an island and you owe that crafty raccoon a bunch of money and then you got to pay him back I mean it's yeah I don't I mean I've only played um New Leaf yes on 3DS yeah yeah and as much as addicted as we got to it I still it's a very frustrating game because I'm like I'm not even doing anything and I have to now check in with this stupid monkey that lives next door to me at exactly 300 p.m. and like and I have to get guilted for not having played it for 2 days straight and now they're all I can't believe you've left us yeah it's the first game that I've ever set an alarm at so that at work I could duck

out to visit Cube my penguin neighbor uh otherwise he gets he was he just gets so upset if you miss your appointment you know uh see my think my first game that I had to set an alarm for was um Webkins Webkins where you yes I in um in college a few of my friends and I got pretty addicted to this stupid online game where where you actually had to go out and buy uh these little like stuffed animal things um that came with a code and then like actual physical actual physical like I still have some of them somewhere um actual physical little like Bean baggy stuffed animals that came with a code on their tag that you entered into your Webkins account um and then you would be able to play as that character like a little coward elephant

or whatever it was and then um you had to create rooms and buy furniture and stuff but there was this guy who um sold different furniture or things for your rooms right um but he would say like you have to be here between 3:00 and 3:15 and then you can get this rare item it sounds like almost like it was ahead of its time because now you have like you know the Spyro games what you call that crap and um the Disney Infinity where you have you know you buy the characters and then you scan them in oh in the like amiibos you can play as a characters if you scan was in sounds like yep yeah but please if anybody anybody listening ever played Webkins let me know I'm not the only one we had like a whole work group of people and

whoever was off that day would be like don't worry like we all had each other's passwords and we're like I got this for you don't worry that's so strange and we were far too old to be to be buying all these stuffed animals wa I look all the people playing Animal Crossing right now I would have said you know I I I I didn't know what animal crossing was until I played it on the 3DS and now I kind of get it but I I would not have picked how many grown ass [ __ ] people play that game had I not experienced it for myself cuz it is it looks like it's silly like a silly kids game and it kind of is but it's not it's [ __ ] addictive not only that its release was the same day as

Doom which which I have been playing we actually got to play um it is out now but we did get to play the beginning of it um at an event at P yes so not at Pax itself Bethesda does an event next door every year PAX East is on at the uh Boston Convention Exhibition Center and right next door in the hotel is a comedy club called laugh and every year Bethesda well it's two years so far I think and hopefully it continues Bethesda hires the whole bar out and turns it into a Bethesda game convention of the own B it's called Bethesda game days and um they do their own like live podcasts they have a little uh Bethesda store and then demos of the upcoming games and you get uh

free drinks two free drinks I believe and lunch and and lunch yeah and you you will have to line up probably for a few hours to get in because it gets really busy but honestly I think it's worth it oh it absolutely is it's like it's a cool little offshoot of packs that is not um very well marketed I think well we didn't know what it was last year and we were technically invited like I didn't know what the hell it was like so but luckily we found out now we can go every year cuz it's really great they were showing Doom Eternal and the wastelanders expansion for Fallout 76 which turns Fallout 76 into an actual game that you can play finally so that'll be nice for those people who bought that well that's

that's video games uh but Pax isn't just about video games uh even even if less so these days there is still a lot of tabletop stuff at at PAX East and honestly I kind of enjoy that a little more sometimes um we played some some cool [ __ ] yeah I think um we played quite a few games I think we should highlight a couple of them yep one that we got pretty into and played for a while I've never actually seen this before but it was called kocol and it is a very large board is this like some sort of traditional game or is this a new game that just feels traditional I don't know like it's it's kind of like shuffle board is yeah yeah so it's a a circle board um that's waxed it's like very smooth and you have these little discs and it's basically very similar to

the rules of curling or shuffle board m where you alternate turns and you knock other players pucks off the board and try to get your own in the Inner Circle yeah and like you literally flick them and and send them scooting around the the board and it's like it's super fun yeah yeah I was very tempted to buy one but there I guess just because of the nature of the game they have to be crafted well for it to work and they're quite expensive right so they had a lot of boards there that were brought by Jeremy Tracy and you can find his boards at kenol gameb boards.com um they're beautiful and yes after playing it for an hour or so we were very very tempted to just buy one on the spot the ones that he brought there were all ones with very slight defects which you wouldn't

even know until they were pointed out so he let everyone play on them and then at the end of the convention they were all sold off did he said he's not taking any of them home with him so they will be sold in one way or another mhm but yeah that's a great game and it's apparently there's like a league for it and everything now it's like a actual competition game I believe so I know probably more people have heard of it and we just sound we're Amazed by it everyone's like yeah crol of course but no that was fun yeah we played a game called draon that I had not seen before it's it's got like a a cool art style that that draw our attention I think and I think it's quite popular because they had a very successful Kickstarter and they had new

expansions and whatnot you basically you play as a a dragon and you move around the board you know collecting resources gold trying to hoard gold and and Destroy Villages and you know outdo the other other dragons that we're playing it's a cool game it's like simple nice I got some really beautiful um high quality wood and metal game boards as well as the traditional you know the normal box copy you would get it's a cool game yeah yeah I enjoyed that one another board game we played was called uh Nexus infernum it was made by uh archon games who made the game escaton that we had previously played and purchased at um Pax unplugg I mostly like this company because of their art style it's very like gothy kind of

Satanist yes they're all about demons and skulls yeah so every time I see that I'm like oh they have a new game oh it's evil as well yeah but they they're such nice people too yeah yeah that's why it's always I mean Satanist some of the nicest people people so I guess shouldn't be too surprised but but yeah they're all really lovely but yeah this game I you play as necromancers trying to summon skeletons to gain power that's that's how I that's how the plot seemed to me yep we had just played a little kind of demo of it so we didn't get the full scope of the game but it was very fun you move your skeletons between these portals and and collect dark energies and use that to to to buy cards that expands your powers it's it's uh it's cool and uh and the

artwork is suitably uh it reminds me a lot of like Mike mola and the Hellboy kind of style mhm like not not it's not like the same but it's just I guess no it's it's that in tones of gray yes and I mean probably listeners you'll know what I mean I just it just it reminds me of it like that in uh what's that game um darkest dungeon that kind of style mhm all right I have one more honorable mention um which is maybe the booth that we spent the longest amount of time at and I thought was a really awesome addition to packs yes Dungeons and Dragons had a little booth for idle Champions oh and all it was was a bunch of blank coloring book pages of characters and and a thing of

crayons but I think it was very nice for something that is packs can get stressful there are a lot of people yeah it's very crowded it was very nice to just sit down for a little while and just color in a page and know I think I underestimated how how how relaxing coloring is going to how how um particular you were going to be about coloring in yours I I mean I'm not I think I did a a fine job I was inside most of the lines and but I had finished mine and looked over and you were you didn't know you could shade the crayon I was not aware that was a thing but uh and and see now I'm curious did yours end up on their website because it [ __ ] well should have they had a lot of them so yeah I know but like even when you when we because you had to hand

them in to get uh to get a a a a Beholder die like a six-sided die with a Beholder on it they handed them in they looked at yours and they were like oh wow like so yeah I take my coloring very seriously yeah yeah I learned I learned oh and I also want to give a sh out to the food trucks because getting food at packs is is a thing I generally and I think the food trucks situ The Situation's gotten better like in my opinion there used to be a couple out the front but now they have like a bunch at the back and then the variety and uh they also they've got um a couple inside now as well I don't know I think in general I think the food situation is better than it what has been in the past to it seems like it to me anyway yeah and they had a vegan taco truck that

that's what I'm saying yeah it's just so much more very inclusive yes oh and for the first time since one of the early paxes they had a bar open yeah they did they had a bar uh Voodoo Ranger had a bar on site in the convention center they were limiting people and I guess they've had some issues in the past with people getting a little too drunk um but they were limiting people I think to three beers a day I didn't point this out to them because I didn't want to do that gu as he's telling me I was like I I see a way around this already their method of of limiting you they would give you a wristband you know whether there traditionally yeah you have to show your ID at the the gate kind of and they give you a wristband and then when you bought a beer they would just Mark

put a little Mark on The Wristband to say you've had one and then once you got the three you w't allowed anymore I mean you take that off there's nothing yeah there's nothing to stop you from leaving taking off the bracelet and then coming back through and getting another one but hey maybe we're just Evil Geniuses and no I hope you're not listening to this because well I guess the point was just that I think he implied that they hadn't allowed it in the past because there had been some sort of incident right like and I was like well first of all what the what happened I'm I'm really curious I mean probably someone just got drunk and was a pain in the ass mhm or several people possibly but and then also I'm hoping that it worked out okay cuz that was nice it was nice to be able to just

stop in and have a beer mhm you know so hopefully people didn't abuse the privilege it didn't seem like it no it didn't and I I think he would be ble to tell the guy checking IDs at the door like if you were wasted already he's not going to let you in but I guess PA would not be a good somebody being really drunk at packs I could see that being a pain in the ass oh so yeah I can see why they they were being careful about it so I'm hopefully it all worked out good be too vo Ranger yeah they have good stuff good choice I'm glad it wasn't just you know bud or something for $20 or whatever right like you would nor how it usually is well and yeah I was going to say the prices were pretty reasonable as well I think it was I mean more than you pay a bar but you know outside but I

think it was only like six or seven bucks a beer not the 10 or 15 they charge at the bloody Dunkin Donuts Center here in for the bl light and the chorus yeah oh it's a big can I don't care still trash still tastes like [ __ ] yeah so that was P I think uh is there anything else you wanted to uh no I think I think that was it yeah big thanks to Penny Arcade having us again um we like it's one of my favorite things to do is go to PS and uh just really grateful that we get to do it and and talk about it and meet all you lovely people out there podcast at multipl ner gas.com if you've got uh want to get in touch with us M nerdgasm on Twitter multiple nerdgasm on Facebook uh multiple nerdgasm on Instagram yeah and head to patreon.com

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