Helmet or Hoodie Dot Com: Why AI Learns to Be Racist

I noticed that uh when somebody transferred over the unused articles from last week's spreadsheet to this we spreadsheet they uh they left Sasquatch news out of it oh that was a mistake did I was it yeah it was a mistake let me tell you a big mistake welcome to multiple nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to all things nerdy because uh there is some Sasquatch news and I think you should play Jingle it's back it's back there little jingle you might want to play now Matt we're opening with it wow spoiling the listeners here we go or you think I should have I should tease With Sasquatch news and then we go to it

later no let's just do it why bother early yeah I don't know if we've got any people that like oh I'll Stick Around for that yeah exactly the [ __ ] is Sasquatch [Music] Sasquatch it's a lot better than our original Sasquatch jingle if you remember back to then oh God [Music] Sasquatch do you have the uh the trailer to Sasquatch watch the movie that I did cuz I found I found my working father other day but not any of the actual media and I was like H something is lurking in the pagus scrub 911 what with someone or something crawling around here and there's only

one man who can track him down let's get to the point starring Liam niss has Terry small shoe you see him now sir well it's a tiny tiny little he'll discover there's more going on then meets the eye there's a horrible sex slave trade going on but will he get too close to this abominable creature I've contracted Aid co-starring Rose Burn I'm actually a bit bored man the things I would do to her and Willam defo as the Sasquatch there will be no survivors from Acclaim director James Wan comes Sasquatch watch the movie out this summer ideas stolen from multiple nerdgasm as I said before I've got full-blown AIDS so we do have

some Sasquatch news this week uh and this is in your neck of the woods Matt roughly speaking this is in Idaho not too far from where you are mhm uh up the top and in the middle I believe is that right ID I thought it more in the middle yeah left uh none of this no top left top left top left turns out I've been there I just probably didn't realize cuz it was the middle of the night but I've I've been there oh it is it's very left all right well up there up there up there in the top left the famous top left United States a woman got into a serious car accident uh and when police came to charge her with reckless driving uh she is pleading that it was in fact Bigfoot that uh was driving accident big boot's car was coming

towards her swerved no she's saying that she was distracted by looking at Bigfoot uh and then crashed into I think a family of deer she also blames uh the Sasquatch for chasing the deer in front of her car I will say two things go on one there are [ __ ] deer in the roads everywhere over there in that area uh you got to be very careful driving uh especially at night in on on the west coast of the United States like I had to put my high beam like high beams on even if I didn't really need to just because like I didn't want I didn't want that and I actually said to Jenna at one point it'll be a miracle if we make it out of this trip without hitting a deer so I just have a little bit of a

question out of this story how fast did De run the problem with them is as I understand it they Dart from from like they just kind of like oh sure and dart yeah so they'll be you'll be like oh it's all right they're not in the road and then it's like like like they'll just jump sideways and it's like out of nowhere a Sasquatch chases them into the street that's right cuz I'm a little confused about how this accident happened she's driving down the highway y she sees Bigfoot chasing some deer along the highway yeah then she looks into mirrors and then she runs into one of the deer yeah good point chased the deer from off I I assume the side of the road onto the road in front of her car but he was still behind her car at that point yeah okay seems a little off to

me well I mean sure is Bigfoot known for running the other thing I was going to say is there's actually Bigfoot [ __ ] everywhere like not not Bigfoot [ __ ] like droppings but like uh there's a lot of Bigfoot related stuff uh in on the side of the you know like on the side of the road and there's like shops and little stalls and and Bigfoot stuff everywhere on the west coast he's quite quite quite a big deal area yeah but I'm just find weird like this is the first time I've really heard of Bigfoot being fast like normally all the video and the sightings he's just walking along this is the first time I've ever heard him doing something physical well see in some stories he's psychic uh which is is also a little disturbing so I guess

maybe he's kind of like you know he's like an X-Man or or various different big feet have different Powers maybe this one's like a fast Bigfoot maybe that's that's how it works big foot long legs we're were telling somebody about uh oh it was uh it was Jimmy listen to Jimmy hey Jimmy about uh Bongo Jimmy and the piger did did Jimmy listen to it uh I don't know actually did you Len did you listen to it it's good in it man I mean if you haven't yet just just pause now and go up Bongo tempting F Sasquatch yeah if you want to hear the inspiration behind uh a lot of the Sasquatch related news on this podcast yeah I mean I think a lot of our listeners may not even know that

Sasquatch watch is based on a true story yeah and tempting fate yeah I mean it's all based on Bongo out there tempting fate in the undergrowth in the piger scrub true story yep I'm a little sad that we never got to go to piga I know yeah there was one time we still can it's never going to be never well I got to get back over there now so it's Dan quite it's a little it's there's a slightly bigger barrier than there was when you know we just all [ __ ] lived in Sydney yeah I like that the barrier wasn't really a barrier at all back then was it it was just no the barrier was oh we could just hang out and smoke stupid short films together or we could go piga you know we could have done all those things in piger that's true we

didn't no did not there's little pranks to Sasquatch are at it again uh a deputy with the L which I assume is the the County Sheriff's Office responded to the scene but he didn't find any evidence of a giant hairy BEAST's he going to prute the deer I guess yeah a deer real uh yes I've seen him I told you actually this was in uh I think in like Nashville or somewhere uh we were drive or or outside of in Tennessee somewhere we're driving back after the big trip and uh I came up behind a Jeep like an older style Jeep and I I can see like these legs sticking out from the front and I was like what the [ __ ] so and I as I overtook them they just had two deer strapped to the Bonnet of the

car right that that they had obviously they had slaughtered or hit after a big foot chased him into the road yeah and then just not bothered to turn on the wind screen wipers yeah to flick the bodies off I think I've worked this out too Luke so mhm both the deer and the Bigfoot were behind her right yeah Bigfoot was running so fast and he's so menacing that the deer ran faster than the car so she's driving along she's suddenly over overtaken by a family of deer she's freaked out by this occurrence she then looks into the rear view mirror to see what has spooked them she sees the Sasquatch and then she hits the deer which have now slowed down because they feel wow okay out of the it could be possible I'm just having a look deer can

run up to 60 to 80 km an hour MH Jesus so I gonna guess if they're being chased by Bigfoot they're going to be up at the 80 not the 60 they going be in mind you can't run kilometers here or drive even you've got to it's got to be miles so they would be able they wouldn't be able to go that fast here uh but that would mean they'd go even faster right cuz a mile is faster than a kilometer [ __ ] you're right yeah that's uh that's how that works yeah in science man they still do 60 to 80 it's just miles now yeah yeah I'm pretty sure that's the conversion mhm mhm that's why Ione drive so far last year oh I've just got a notification on my phone today is Luke's birthday oh happy birthday L it is too God I keep forgetting I was going to say

have we done I don't think we've ever had an episode where we actually addressed that it was anybody's birthday but I don't know that we've done one on anybody's birthday before like has it never come up I don't think it has oh happy birthday buddy yeah it's Luke's birthday uh if you're listening to this in 10 years or so down the track on a completely arbitrary day um a I'm glad uh the podcast is still available yeah B I'm glad the internet and in fact the human race is still around has itun destroyed itself hopefully there'll be something better than iTunes but hopefully they roll over everything um yeah do you see they've turned uh uh you probably haven't because I I only know this because I because I'm like the manager of our podcast on iTunes I got

a I got an email from them uh iTunes podcasts is now Apple podcasts and so it's kind of like its own separate thing except it's it's just still in iTunes and on uh on a computer anyway on on a phone it's separate but so maybe they're going separ separated years ago didn't it on the pH iTunes is just called music now on a phone as well yeah so I wonder if they going to start separating stuff out on uh on the you know on the desktop as well because like you and all that [ __ ] still on iTunes whereas on the pH it's separate I still can't log into my iTunes account every time I go to reset it I've got my backup password on my work email and I can't access iTunes at work so I

just keep forgetting to do it and yeah probably not the best back one day I will Five Star our podcast not really Apple's fault though is it no I think it is how are we doing on the reviews if you want to help us uh get up the rankings on Apple podcast or iTunes uh we'd appreciate it just give us a a nice little positive review on Apple yeah it says actually Apple podcasts instead of iTunes now in the description look at that we're like we've got mostly five star ratings on here and the total is brought down a little tiny bit it's like four and a half stars because of that CU of Chiller seven [ __ ] Chiller seven but Bard I recently updated my iTunes uh because I had to change my credit card

details and it wouldn't let me continue running the scam that I had been which was pretending I still live in Australia for purposes of iTunes uh flicked it to the Singaporean version of the app and uh now every time I want to listen to our podcast it comes up you sure it's very explicit is it like a little popup yeah it's a popup man it's so annoying that's funny which is weird we're not really that explicit that often anymore we've gotten a lot better you know the problem is I used to they used to be just flagged individually when they were explicit which and they were quite a lot uh except every now and then we would have episodes that weren't uh except I think now because we actually have episodes that contain the word dick and

uh stuff like that we're just on the moon on the moon we're just always explicit yeah Apple's like it's just it's just safer Apple's like no explicit which is fine yeah it means that we don't really have to think about it and I was happy to see that Singapore did let me make my own decision on this one quite often they don't so yeah that's pretty funny though are you sure you want to listen to yourself swear Dan are you sure yeah it's sort of funny when are podcasts really going to become regulated cuz it has to happen sometime hopefully they won't but yeah I don't know cuz at the we're still in sort of the Wild West like with podcasting and streaming there's no real regulation around them yeah that's

true I know in Germany they might you might actually have to start charging uh paying to have a twitch license like a license to stream yes interesting license to stream their laws a lot of laws they AR up to dat to it and you have to have a broadcast license so they're saying like if you have more than 500 subscribers you need a broadcast broadcast license there you go I think they're looking to change it as quickly as possible but at the moment is yeah that's the letter of the law is it a broadcast I suppose it's a broadcast I mean podcast yeah stands for iPod broadcast right yeah I think that's where it came from originally that's why there's a period where people were like freaking out cuz they're like wait we can't call everything podcasts cuz then

Apple's going to going to sue us eventually well Apple don't have the iPod anymore so you're fine oh yeah well they I think they still make them they just they just yeah they just phone them in no who would be buying right no no they have the iPod Touch still you can still buy an essentially an iPhone that isn't a phone yeah they like a couple hundred bucks why well cuz some people I guess want an Android phone but would want an iPod I don't know yeah Android phones you can't put music on I guess idiots well you can't it's is different yeah I'm just trying to see can I get iTunes on my Android phone no you can't no I mean it seems like something you wouldn't be able to do doesn't it I have a little bit of followup I can sent you

guys a snap uh through the week oh yes I've been very interested to talk about this I um did a bit of I mean not not a deep dive but I did a little bit of a dive uh attempted to find webs into the dark webs and I attempted to find Cindy's new love for you MH yeah that's the correct title isn't it oh yeah yes yes it is yep I definitely remember it new love the erotic novel found in a Hol out tree stump and enjoyed by everyone in year 10 at Cambridge Park High School 1995 that were you lucky enough to find it no uh the literally the only the only reference that I can find to it and and this is a reference to it as in an erotic novel by the name of Cindy's new love I found a PDF file on the internet which

contained uh a bunch of Australian legislation it was like a compilation of of documents and they were all signed by various you know Governors or whatever and one of those documents was a list of uh it was it was a a letter saying blah blah blah Peru into this that and the other the following items are now going on the prohibited items list yada yada yada on the list bunch of smart including Cindy's new love a book uh and it did name the publisher uh which I've since forgotten the name of uh but again when I searched for that I couldn't find anything either but it was a it was actually a US publisher look it doesn't surprise me yeah it was us set book it was certainly not an Australian book um yeah cuz she [ __ ] the grd the only the only thing I could find was Australian

well I might have had the only copy in existence yeah you had the copy that some poor bastard in the government had to read and he was like oh God we are Banning one thing I found weird about it was it was banned in the 80s yeah you found it in the '90s yeah who else has that's a decade where this has just been pass he and then someone decided to share it the guy the guy from the government he's had it right and yeah yeah smuggled out the only last copy of what he thought was the greatest literary work of our time hit it in warington Lake yeah it was Christian Bale in uh what's that movie equilibrium equilibrium yeah Christian Bale hit it in a tree stum step fry have been killed already for it that's right for owning

it yeah that's a lot of references no it look it doesn't surprise me at all that this was banned it was absolutely filthy two things have come out of this though number one one is I'm glad that youve found at least proof that it exists because people have doubted me over the years no no it exists absolutely and I can provide a copy of the legislation if anyone wants it yeah I think we need to bookmark that for the future I've the other thing that I love now is that if you Google Cindy's new love thanks to us oh yeah it now appears several times on the internet but all in reference yeah to our podcast yeah that was that was the first thing that showed up and I was like oh that's cool oh wow yeah we're we're number one yeah yes we are so any kids out there looking for it

oh sorry kids any any people who were once kids and are now probably in their 30s man that's the weirdest backtrack out of that oh I don't like kids off I like people that that used to be kids but aren't [Laughter] anymore well I guess technically that's true it exists but we don't have it so listeners podcast at multipl nerdgasm tocom facebook.com/ multip nerdgasm twitter.com M nerdgasm on there and if you're the [ __ ] at Cambridge Park High who was passed this book but instead of passing it on kept it for yourself All Is Forgiven just just give us the book back we want it back maybe well maybe it just continued to be passed on maybe it's still being passed

on to this day it's possible I would be okay with that yeah like I would be too I just know that there were people it became so Infamous that there were people coming up and asking me who's got it I've got to read it uh and I didn't know you know no it's cuz everyone read it I didn't I like to imagine that one day my son will come home from school he'll be reading something he'll be I like what's that what's that he oh nothing nothing like show me and I'll I'll see it and I'll just yeah yeah proceed startop reading it yourself or Matt you do not you do not want him to be reading that no no no child read this book I'm we turned out fine well I didn't I didn't read it but you guys turned out fine did I Matt did

I I don't know if I'd say that this book was messed up yeah this book was like I can't believe somebody published I can't believe somebody read this guy's manuscript let alone the guy who wrote it but I can't believe somebody read it and went yeah all right we'll publish this I'll put my name to this I'll put my name on this I think the publishing company was someone's name it was like Allen something oh he's going to regret that any racist robot news this week we do actually uh I thought this was a nice followup to a bunch of Articles we've discussed in the past uh apparently a Princeton team of researchers have discovered why AI generally ends up becoming a bit racist and uh and offensive is it because some of the

racists are just intrinsically better or worse than others well comp that according to the internet that might be true because the way that they teach these uh I was joking I was joking please what I'm saying is that Luke is correct the way that they teach these ai's language is they feed them uh kind of historical stuff like a like a big uh yeah a large scale crawl of the internet from 2014 in particular uh contains 840 billion tokens or words and that's uh uh it's called the common crawl uh and it's a it's a big collection of data that they feed to these things so they can learn you know language and everything

and uh a bunch of most people on the internet uh are pretty biased and racist and so it learns all that because it's because it's learning from us and that's basically how it happens you uh you feed it you know what people are up to and it it learns from us and that's yeah basically basically it's predisposed to being racist because well it only is because of the really extreme bias that you're giving it that's what I mean though but how do you I'm pretty sure if if uh the only the only way African scientists this thing it wouldn't come out going black people eh bit [ __ ] no no no if they fed it the internet as a as a way for it to learn language it would yes the internet the internet is biased Because the

Internet is largely dominated by white westerners that's EXA should actually be learning from the internet to begin with no I I agree with you introduced to it later no it should be born as a baby like the rest of us to grow up in the world person biases of its parents and adopt those as its own yeah that's right yeah and of its culture and Society but yeah that's the gist of it is that because they need a large kind of uh source of language to give this thing so that it can very quickly learn how to communicate and uh unfortunately we're all a bunch of racists you really think that the internet is the best is the best lesson to be teaching our well I think the point is that what else is there like on that scale what else are you going to

teach what you what are you going to feed nothing though surely imagine instead of Imagine instead of raising your child just went look go on go on Reddit and everything you read is true here watch this video and now read the comments in YouTube yeah that's right yeah if you're female post a picture of yourself and then write something uh feminist and then see what happens yeah enjoy your suicide so yeah the problem is uh the problem is us as usual yeah I had a feeling it' be us yeah go internet God the internet is a terrible place it is I think we're on there right now though aren't we is that where we are right now I actually don't know how the internet work we're always on the internet these days it's kind of kind of stupid to be honest comment sections and people

typing on the Internet is worse than people talking on the internet well the problem with uh the internet generally is that you can be anonymous I think well although they did studies and generally people are [ __ ] either way uh like even on Facebook when it's actually their name but I think it's worse when you're anonymous you know they say it's the problem with Twitter with the uh with the little egg uh profile picture when you've got a new account is they're all [ __ ] cuz they're Anonymous you know they changed the uh the default logo on Twitter because it was yeah because the egg was associated with [ __ ] so they just they changed it you're not an egg anymore on Twitter when you sign up who are you uh like a little picture of a

like a male or a female I think oh it should they should have picked like the cutest little bunny or something to just be like yeah I think you're a little just little profile oh okay it's not even sorry it's not not even uh it's not even gendered it's just a little little figure of a body in her head which makes more sense well doesn't fix anything it just means it moves it just means just means that symbol is going to be associated with hatred soon yeah I I still think you're allowed to get one account and that's it I'm not on Twitter enough to have realized that um more hatred comes from the eggs than the non- eggs well there's eggs and there um there's eggs and there's the green frogs but you could just put your a picture of like I could I start a Twitter account

right now and just put somebody else's I could put your picture I could put a picture of uh yeah I don't know an egg salad I think that I think the thing is that people just quickly create accounts to do this and so they're not really concerned about having what that picture looks like they're just concerned about trolling people yeah they're not they're not looking to make an make an appearance or anything they just want to yell something offensive at people like they they probably think y this account's going to get banned anytime soon so I'm just going to not worry about that and just go crazy fair enough I think that's true yeah Twitter's uh Twitter's I guess the only other thing they could do is like make you verify yourself like Facebook I mean even then

sometimes [ __ ] my friend been banned by Facebook several times because she changed her name to Joanna explosion and that's her real name now yeah I'm still [ __ ] on there yeah yeah that's true not on Xbox though sorry to bring up that sore point I so want that name just going to waste was at friend's house the other day and uh they were playing their PS4 oh yeah and um they were playing some game that I've obviously never heard of because uh it's PS4 exclusive and uh she was shooting um robot dinosaurs with a bow and arrow and uh oh that game looks so beautiful Sly I wanted a PS4 because what game is that um I Horizon Dawn yeah yeah yeah yeah so beautiful yeah but there a lot of games on Xbox as well yes yes there

are I hate exclusives I wanted I bought a well I buy I traded a case of beer for a PS3 so that I could play Journey which I did but then also The Last of Us Australian thing I've ever heard the last of us is a beautiful and fantastic game but you know what the Xbox is just always there yeah so uh I still haven't finished the damn thing still haven't finished last speaking of Xbox I had my biggest day for achievements today ever really really yeah you think had something to do with your it being your birthday you were in a you were in a winning mood do you get a birthday bonus or was it just that was your birthday and everyone went look we'll let him play all day for a change I've actually just been going through and just playing games I've purchased ages ago and just

days where he doesn't just play games all day but games where he's not even asked to come to the table you know okay like let me ask like how many what's your achievements how your game of score this year what do you think you've got me uh this year I think actually I've done quite well this year because I went back and uh there's a reason oh because I couldn't update any of my games so I could only play older titles that I hadn't started yet in some cases yep so I got a bunch of achievements quite quickly because it was like I can't I couldn't play Elder Scrolls Online anymore for a while because uh it needed like gigabytes of patches and I just didn't my Xbox wasn't on the internet oh I couldn't have played it anyway yeah but yeah I got all the Dishonored ones

cuz I played through that and uh I don't know I probably got a couple thousand man I wouldn't even know I wouldn't even be able to Hazard a guess I get the odd achievement as I'm playing through something and I go oh okay I've shot 200 guys in the face now great achievement today I got 2,690 Jesus yeah see I don't even I don't even think about the points when I do it I get a little thing pops up and I go oh that's cool oh and the Doom ones yeah I got heaps from Doom need to play that as well yeah today was just a really good day for achievements good on you what were you playing Stu just um I played a game called subject 13 yep um played another game called her majesty spiffing I've heard of that God what I don't actually remember what else I played

today what's your Xbox what's your gamer score at we used to put this in the newsletter but we kind of just stopped doing the newsletter because the newsletter was just basically me sending out a list of the podcast episodes and I was like I don't know if people want want to read that every month I'm going to hit 400,000 soon I'm currently sitting at 36,100 so as soon as I get that 400,000 I'm getting a new tattoo oh of what the original Xbox logo or maybe even maybe even the 360 okay MH MH just the round cross yeah it's on the taint yep exactly oh imagine getting your taint

tattooed well actually I was very close to um when I was in America getting it done on my not my taint but getting the Xbox logo on my hand oh okay but then I went no I'm not going to walk into a tattoo artist place and go do this I want to research and find out who they are and if they're any good first yeah yeah I decided to get against that and since my tattoo place uh where I used to go burnt down oh Jesus I don't know where I'm going anymore burnt down yeah it was firebombed oh oh cuz they found out you were going there no it's a bit of a problem with tattoo places they got the whole biky connection and it's sort of bad for the

artists that work there who have nothing to do with it yeah I wonder if that happens here I'm pretty sure that's only an Australian thing H really plenty of tattoo pilers here and they're all run by hipsters I still don't have a [ __ ] tattoo no you don't we hunted All Over America to find the tattoo the picture for you yeah the that's right the death head mhm yep got that also the we spent day try to find that hours upon hours in different cemeteries just walking around taking pictures of them yeah Luke I've got a proposition for you MH you know when Matt and Jenna got married you weren't a marriage celebrant but they were perfectly happy for you to learn how to become one and then perform

their marriage I mean a marriage would you would say it's a very important thing right that you need an absolute expert and they were they were satisfied that you could be that expert after y writing away for your certificate in the mail I think that you Luke need to get your tattoo artist certificate or whatever they give you when you're allowed to do a tattoo I you buy a tattoo gun Luke can be your tattoo artist can we forget about the license and just go we'll go prison tat oh yeah yeah we just need a safety pen and a Baro pen yeah yep do you remember when [ __ ] in high school were doing that when that was the thing yeah yep we're a bunch of [ __ ] idiots yeah I mean guys if you didn't go listeners if you didn't go to high school in like [ __ ]

[ __ ] Grim suburbs of Western Sydney you might not have had this craze but the the hard kids were all like yeah look at me tattoo it's the girl who's [ __ ] going with me right now I sliced it into my arm and then Inked it with a brro fools God and now the the thing is those tattoos they probably not they weren't good then but then they're not going to be looking at good now but they would still be there and just be I don't know would they terrible I think they probably just wear off don't they like the skin regrows on they would still have like little bits and pieces yeah okay like not a picture or anything or words but you'd have markings on there F point cuz that's all the tattoo is just yeah and when you think about it anyone

that does it traditionally and a lot of places still do it with a uh a sharpened bamboo and and a little tappy Hammer thing right around here they do it a lot I mean that's no less rudimentary than a than a pin and a ballp point yeah true like I yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to see detail or anything now but I guarantee you'd still be able to see some marks on them happy that was not me I'll just stick to professionals doing it yeah and Matt you can stick to me doing it for you thanks buddy yeah next time I see you I'm giving you a tattoo great we'll see about that that's settled speaking of when we should see each other next I think we should get together the second I open that Star Wars Hotel yeah and that's where we go that's where we meet

up we go do Disneyland and we stay at the Star Wars Hotel I don't care how much this thing costs yeah well uh I think it's saying $900 to $1,000 per guest per night which is pretty expensive I must say now this is not uh this is not confirmed basically Disney is sending out surveys I think to previous guests of the you know their Resorts and saying hey uh based on these images and this description would you be interested in staying it somewhere like this so I guess that considering buildings the reason why I think it would be worth sort of the price they're talking cuz it's not just a here State the hotel it's uh right meals included and then it's a Star Wars experience yeah so you basically pretend that you're on a spaceship uh and have and

then I guess something happens you have some kind of Adventure are you trying to talk us out of this map sounds [ __ ] excellent no I'm I'm I'm not I'm saying that's why it's so expensive soon do they open it let's do it it doesn't exist yet I know but uh we've got we've got to spend that time saving up for it yes true did you uh did you see the little bar or sorry the lobby uh which looks to have a bar in the middle um and uh the map room well it's artists rendering of it oh get so drunk going get drunk and fight a Droid and you can do uh you can do lightsaber training you can do uh flight Flight Training diip exploration which I guess just means walking around yeah maybe it's going to be like Westworld but Star

Wars sign me up that would be great [ __ ] yeah powers that be that are listening do that yeah do it I would pay a lot of money for that nah I PID a moderate amount of money for that I don't have a lot of money how much it's if they do make it it's like 2019 be now we got a couple of years to save expect it takes that long to make a regular Hotel when's Star Wars land opening in Disneyland um they haven't confirmed that they they're working on it the Avatar Land opens later this year I don't know why they built avar know I don't know I don't know what the [ __ ] they were building that for uh and then the Star Wars one I guess probably 2018 2019 actually I can understand why they built Avatar Land can you came out

everyone was talking about that and then there going to make all these extra movies so I can't that's that's why they went we're going to cash in on this now but it's it's like and then nothing happen 10 years after have they been building avar his whole time no I Ian maybe he talked him into it because he's doing the new films those FS never coming out it's going to be big again well I mean he's never never happening really what makes you say that no has he started yet uh he was about still in the ocean like we keep telling you he's not doing them like that you don't doing anything you these little submarines scooting around the bottom of the ocean does it exist I'm trying to find pictures of it Avatar Land yeah no no it does yeah I've seen uh I've seen pictures of it it's part of

the Animal Kingdom at Disney world it's just a little walkthr thing no no no it's uh it's called Pandora world of Avatar it's on the Disney website disneyworld.com which is a [ __ ] mouthful of a website and then search for Avatar I don't think it's anything that we would ever go on it looks like the um the ride that I'm looking at looks like the It's a Small World After All ride made you line up for that for an hour I had the worst hangover and you took me on that thing I think drunk of Disney lands I've been to that's worth it it's well worth it it doesn't stop it just keeps going and I keep singing it over and over and over oh okay so it's a it's actually it's a whole l land like Frontier world or whatever so there's several different

there's Avatar flight of Passage where you ride on a pterodactyl na'vi River Journal sex with it no na'vi River Journey which is what Luke was just describing which is It's a Small World After All uh and then there's valy of moara probably saying that wrong but I hav seen the movie Once years ago hike hike amid floating mountains right so it's a walk through it's a hike makes it sound like difficult I wonder how difficult it actually is well coming May 27th 2017 so that's pretty soon well we have to go uh we have to go down to Disneyland at some point this year because we have passes that expire so I mean I guess I'll probably go to this well you should and send us photos yeah speaking of which I'm going to New York next weekend yeah

uh next weekend I'm I'm heading down there then I'm going to spend a we there oh cool uh Matt probably going to see you down there at some point we're going to head down uh for the screening film so the last time I was in New York uh I did all the touristy stuff right you know the Statue of Liberty and a lot those things uh this time I want to do some kind of geeky stuff I want to go I want to find the uh Ghostbusters out you know the fire the fire station yeah yeah fire station yep yep what else happened in New York uh did you go to New York Public Library last time speak yeah I did go to that I did go to that in downtown yep maybe the sign when last they did have something on the Intrepid it was a Star Trek exhibition I don't know if that's

still going on probably not but that's interesting you go to jackn hdes oh I do want to go to jackn hdes it see if they're upset about the heart being missing no I told you we we went there I've been there again since then and they've they shut down that one near Time Square cuz they couldn't afford the show anymore they couldn't afford to buy a new they couldn't afford to replace the props yeah so they've moved now he gave it to me yeah he sure did yeah never asked for it back so they've moved now they're down kind of uh a bit further south I forget what the area is called man I do love a good themed restaurant actually grenwich village grenwich Village I think is where they are now oh yeah yes yeah yeah some good stff I've been to been to [ __ ] New York more

times than I ever thought would since since we moved yeah right cuz I don't even down for the weekend yeah I don't even like it that much too too City next weekend I can actually give you a review of something go on really um well tomorrow night I'm actually going to go see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 oh cool really beating us all come for a couple of weeks that comes out on the 5th of May I think here yeah same for some reason I just got to go to an early screening so I'm not going to complain that's awesome yeah and I just want you to know Luke that um my girlfriend uh got invited to a premier screening as

well for the staff could bring someone as well uh but then she decided to go to Barley so she there right now and uh I'm not I'm not watching don't you just have the pass you can just go no doesn't work like that does not work like that I'll be seeing it as soon as I can and uh they've confirmed well James guns confirmed this week that he's going to come back and do the third one everyone kind of assumed he would but apparently it was not that not that confirmed before MH mhm MH uh but it now is and also he said that this will be the that'll be the last one for this team whatever that means so I don't know if that means you know Chris Pratt and

the Gang art coming back for one after that I think next time there'll be an Iron Man in there and yeah and a Luke Skywalker yeah [ __ ] shove them all in there Avatar yeah yeah that guy from Moon CG David Bowie from Labyrinth oh see I didn't thing is I didn't automatically assume that there would be a third one no no I didn't either but I thought it was going they beun volume two and then just all sort of merging together for Infinity War yeah and then yeah because they're in the the Guardians spoilers Guardians are in infinity War so now is there a plan is Affinity War sort of the end of the story arc for this whole thing or are

they going to continue on after I this was the kind of the big thing that they were leading up to I'm sure they'll probably uh maybe at Comic-Con uh this year they'll announce something but yeah I don't know be interesting to see I think it would be good if they did have an end to it well I'm pretty sure sometime soon some of these stars are going to be like I'm done like they've they've had a good run like cuz I never I didn't think they'd keep some of these people for as long as they did like Robert dowy Jr and and you know like they've all just they've done a lot of these movies now Robert dowy Judy will keep doing these movies you reckon he will not stop they keep throwing m can reasoned they are going to Peter out

at some point and I guarantee you at some stage in the future you'll be watching an Avengers movie that just Stars Jeremy Rena and Scarlet Johansson and Chris Pine because he's not that famous not Chris Pine what's [ __ ] Captain America christh Chris no oh Chris Evans Chris Evans there's too many Chris's too many there is there are CH Chris Evans I'm really hoping they have an game like this will be the end of it and then start again yeah cuz they will start again at some point but I think they should have a definite end there is a precedent for swapping out characters because they've swapped out the Hulk several times it was Eric banner and then it was Edward Norton and then it was true but I feel it's officially Mark Ruffalo now you know even although

Edward Norton was in one that is considered Cannon it it still feels to me like they've committed to Mark Ruffalo yeah yeah Fair yeah I'd say that's true well who knows then they got a new Ant-Man coming out so maybe we'll get a bunch more of him in things instead there's talk of a uh the [ __ ] is Scarlet Johansson's character called Black Widow wiow talk again of a standalone film yeah they keep saying that I'm curious to see how Wonder Woman worst movie yeah if wonderful woman does really well at the box office then I guarantee you there'll be a meeting of Executives over there going wow we can make a film with a woman with a woman in the leader it can't be Black Widow though they've done it before I don't understand why why

they keep having to have this conversation they've done it before people will watch it yeah they don't give a [ __ ] I don't care who trust me Wonder Woman's going Wonder Woman's going to do well I don't know man Suicide Squad was a terrible movie and it did well yeah well financially super was I think you mean Academy Award winning film Suicide Squad they they're all going to do well they're all going to make money for them so yeah that's a good point I mean does any film actually lose money anymore my film my film lost a lot of money but um if you're in New York City two Saturdays from now come to the producers Club watch the T job 15 bucks ticket come say

hello yeah oh want to go Stars Luke does not star even though he had the opportunity to what a dick I couldn't get the time off work I I would have been perfect for that part yeah the role of drinking bearded man watching strippers you were too busy for that there going to be any celebrities there Dan the celebrity is you my friend Ah that's pretty cool yeah you're the most recognizable person there [ __ ] from uh from that film plus uh from your you know few starring roles in some World movies Channel promos five or so years ago and obviously this podcast yeah du we have any New York listeners I don't know we uh maybe WR in podcast multip nerdgasm tocom I know

we've got plenty of New England listeners but uh yeah I don't know whether we go down that that far south to New York yeah I sent you guys the stats the other week we've got a lot of Japanese listeners for some reason yeah I think we really appeal to the Japanese I think they really see something in it I mean and the Japanese have excellent taste you know they only like things that are really well out and make perfect sense all the time y I love that dress sense yeah you would you would Luke I really do yeah I'm not joking know you're not I bet I guarantee that when in Japan they [ __ ] loved him yes yeah well I tell you the people at my work still talk about it because my um background picture on my Facebook

homepage is all of us at your wedding mat yeah and the amount of questions I get and comments about the guy with the purple hair he's got a red what color is your hair right now Pur hair blue oh my hair is blue at the moment okay it was meant to be green but it came out blue bastard so I'm going to try again next weekend have you guys noticed this trend amongst Millennials right now of dying their hair gray color yeah what the [ __ ] is with that now look I acknowledge I'm officially old because I no longer understand young people I don't understand their music I don't understand their culture I don't know what dapping is but they're all [ __ ] doing it and uh and I don't understand why all of them want gray hair because I tell you I'm getting more

gray hairs by the day okay and and all the [ __ ] 20 somethings in my office are coming in with gray hair he's getting a head start start on it yeah is that what it is is it like Samurai back in Japanese kind of feudal days where they would shave the top of their head and I swear to God that started because one of the big wigs was bald you know and he was like you're all going to look like me yeah he's like this is the haircut right this y yeah I cut my hair like this it didn't fall out yeah nope and if you want to be cool you'll shave just this bit as well I actually don't pay attention to what young people do you don't no no I can't imagine for the government who are you paying attention that interest me no they don't interest

me either to be honest I just have to I just have to deal with them on semi- everybody hear Vapes oh that's the thing here do they do that thing where they try to vape as much Vape around them as they can some of them do indeed what the [ __ ] competition vaping yeah there's Vape bars that you just go to [ __ ] Vape in this is what I'm talking about the thing that bugs me to like I know okay fine it's water vapor yes all right it's not going to give me [ __ ] lung cancer if I breathe in your Vape it still smells weird and don't do it in a [ __ ] restaurant yeah it's so antisocial it is just as antisocial as cigarette smoking it's yeah it's and it's such a douchy thing to do like like n no no it's not gonna kill you so I can do whatever I

want like no just [ __ ] off outside with it well no Matt no even then they do it on street corners and like the whole block fills up with this [ __ ] cloud of it's like a magician is casting a spell and I like come on you [ __ ] obnoxious Pratt I know CU do it inarch into this I talked I talked about this I think when I went to that concert and I was like like does that does that much fap need to come out of of a human when they're doing it is that like is that a requirement of the of the the task and it's not you uh you actually have to put in some time and effort to produce that much Vapor it's an achievement it's not legal in Australia see it that much here wait it's not legal in Australia no no did not legal in Australia it's not it's

illegal here too but you people ring him in from Malaysia rect yeah we still have people who do it but it's not really enforced enforced no but you don't have shops for it like you do in America no [ __ ] everyone here does it yeah yeah it's cuz it's it is safer than smoking but it's still not good for you it's not safer than smoking if you're smoking the wrong ones like most of them still contain nicotine and they're all chemical true like the reason they're illegal in Australia is because people think they're safer than cigarettes and that's that's not strictly true I think it's Peter Jackson now that's their new business model they're starting to move over from we can't sell cigarettes anymore so let's sell this vaping stuff instead yeah

they're actually just preparing for when cigarettes become illegal everywhere move on to the next thing was the first cigarettes I ever smoked H Jackson Virginia [ __ ] Virginia m 16 Mig [ __ ] me yep I uh then they changed the formula and made them thicker and then I moved to B and H special filter oh that's right and used to tear the filters off too if I recall at one point Luke cuz you were hard that no I never tore the filters off okay someone I know did and I was like that's just stupid buddy that that is stupid I used to smoke I used to cut the filters in half extra mile there was 12 Ms yeah yeah that's right cut the filters in half if someone oh smoking like a 2 migr or something oh yeah or

you could just cover up the little holes around the filter it still wasn't the same no that was the one thing about smoking High milligrams um people would always bum smokes off me they complained that they were so strong but then if I wanted to bum a smoke off someone I'm s oh I've got a 4 milligram I'm go well no there's no point in smoking that it's a waste of my time I used to give out cigarettes but I want to get many back in return mhm yeah oh whose fault that can you imagine smoking Peter Jackson Virginia now like it would be like swallowing sandpaper I haven't had a cigarette in it's been a long time I don't really even know how and I I have no desire to i' be three or four years now God hasn't been that long for me and I do have a desire to oh I

still miss it yeah just Vape Dan just Vape [ __ ] I'm not vaping you can just do it anyway if if smoke wasn't as expensive as it is now I probably would still smoke you need to come to Southeast Asia Luke $2 a packet most places here it's pretty cheap here as well but then when I come back to Australia we're up to it's I think it's a dollar a cigarette now go stack up [ __ ] me um but I see no it's more before I quit when I was in Australia I was paying 3132 for a pack of 25s yeah yeah that's how long when I quit it was still less than a dollar but even if you can't even bring cigarettes in anymore you can bring a packet in with you 20 cigarettes is all you can bring you can only bring 19 into Singapore it has to be an open packet You' you've

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Luke ooh yes I'm sure you were concerned Luke because uh two of the greatest actors of a generation were upset with each other your favorite actor Dwayne The Rock Johnson and Vin Diesel yeah I don't want anyone to be mad no one should be mad at the Rock no especially Vin Diesel no apparently uh they've made up there was a feud between them uh because they basically from what I understand they couldn't decide who should get more screen time the rock well Vin Diesel disagree problem solved they should have just asked

me so that was the actual reason it was just about screen time no I don't know about screen time you know the rock famously posted uh a think saying that well he didn't name him but he said somebody uh during shooting was a bit of a primadonna and uh accused him of being kind of a wuss and uh and then they had a feud because of it the people saying yeah screen real estate meaning uh screen real estate I remember there was the rumor that they were upset because there was a big stunt for a WrestleMania thing but that didn't happen H well apparently they um the The Rock has has just kind of said you know what this is his franchise and so he that's how it all got resolved allegedly well I

mean I was going to say that I mean it's a Vin Diesel movie The Rock is in it and he's great I don't get me wrong he's [ __ ] excellent he is in in these movies flexes his arms and his [ __ ] Plaster cast comes off yeah I know let's see V will do that I bet he probably does in the new one he was like I want to do that does James Juan direct the new one no who does uh I have some bad news about the F the fast and fury series though what's up there's only I think two or three more movies they're stopping at 10 they're stopping will be the last one sure they are directed by F Gary gray which is a confusing name to look at because it's

like is it Gary Gary or is it gray Gary director of Straight Out of Compton and uh Friday if you remember that movie oh my God yeah now I have a feeling that what probably what got them to work together and come to terms was was he's a check come work with other for six weeks and then go away yeah like guys these movies print money shut the [ __ ] up and get get in front of the camera and flex I haven't seen fate of the Furious yet I do want to but uh I haven't seen any of them I think I saw about half an hour of the first one and that's what are you talking about you mean I've seen movies starring The Rock that you haven't seen Luke they're pretty entertaining Luke at least watch this the second to last one the James one so when theck com to it then yeah number seven uh I think

seven he came in on like number five I think the rock five or six so I'll start I'll start at five then all right are they even cuz I remember the first one was a cop going under cover or something yep yeah that doesn't happen after that and now I see there just explosions and ramp cars and they you know what I don't actually even though I've seen them I don't really know uh they um they work for for the government sometimes I think look they're just the best of the best Luke so that's who you call when you [ __ ] need people to drive real fast all right yeah to drive drive cars out of airplane yeah this is not a movie you meant to ask question or down that big tall building in Dubai Luke I couldn't tell you what the plot of number seven was but I liked it that's

all I can tell you in fact all all I know is that it was guys who were really fast at cars and stuff who had to fight a bad guy who was really fast at cars and stuff coincidentally Jason STM and that was and now he seems to be part of their team now yeah that's how it works I mean that's how it happened after the first one yeah I can't tell you what the story was I can tell you that Michelle Rodriguez fought Ronda Rousey and then they jumped a Ferrari from one skyscraper to another and that's what the film was about speaking of uh who you just said Michelle rodrig Rodriguez yeah the tough Latino chick yeah has anyone seen her uh transgender movie no I want to watch that we talked about that I I show everybody the

trailer for that now can't believe that [ __ ] movie exists I know a man gets his dick chopped off and becomes Michelle Rodriguez yeah unbelievable I can't believe they made that film I'll see if I can find it what's it called oh it's called the the assignment it's reassignment isn't it oh no yeah it's just the assignment but that's the pun yeah it's like a little wink yeah it's got a 30% on Rotten Tomatoes after being double crossed a hitman becomes a hit woman with help from a rogue surgeon weav she's gone Rogue oh she's cutting his dick off oh look a man without a dick is a Michelle Rodriguez you guys know that Miley Cyrus is in Guardians of the Galaxy 2o no I didn't no well she is

enjoy what do you think would happen if the rock switch you know maybe we shouldn't do this maybe we shouldn't do this not sure this a to talk about rocket di cut off yeah I'm not sure this is a topic [Laughter] sorry Luke's Luke's upset now I'm more thinking of what if you chopped The Rock's dick off yeah I reckon that dick in and of itself would be a force to be reckoned with yeah the dick just comes off yeah just his sever dick [ __ ] chasing you down I would watch that fate of the forkin hold on let me just double check your facts there is the rock circumcised Luke is the rock circumcised I don't know I don't

really I just like imagine he's Jewish that doesn't mean anything well it does it does mean that he might not be don't asking by Twitter you got you got anything Dan anything showing up no I've got nothing maybe that's a new website we could which celebrities have four skin and which don't yeah Cho or not Chop door.com Chop door.com somebody checking this chopped or not.com someone's someone's parked on it yeah but you know we could find something else celebrity circumcisions this is exactly what the internet was made for skin inthe

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