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another week another episode and here we are matters unfortunately died but we'll move on yeah he'll be missed welcome to multiple nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All Things nerdy a lot I think so you can resurrect anything these days so watch out what will happen next week speaking of of both resurrecting uh franchises and literal human beings from the dead um 28 Days Later 28 Weeks Later and now soon

28 years later they doing it um I think it could be interesting they were both good they were very different actually tonally quite different from each other like yeah 28 weeks I think is a very different movie and a different and I quite like I think I like 28 weeks more it was certainly more of a Hollywood movie less of an indie movie so they they each had their own you know the first one boasted it was the first feature film to be shot entirely on digital video when that still meant something second one I'm pretty sure they just shot on film because that's what they did back then so you know they've got a separate look for them each and um you know new cast and everything but it is like even the sequel was sort of an interesting

premise like it you had the zombie outbreak and then they contained it and then what happened and then yeah yeah and if you go back there and you kind of go into that containment area then you're probably [ __ ] yes and so let's see how big of a containment area it is now yeah we joked about this at the time when they when they came up with 28 Weeks Later we were like what are they going to do one 28 years later they be like I remember those zombies 30 years ago well if you according to Star Wars logic that's how it works yeah 30 years ago you just completely forget the Jedi what are they yeah that's right yes exactly yeah yeah plus I mean 10 to 15 years in um the sun on tne will turn you

from uh looking like you and McGregor to looking like Alec Guinness well that's sort of true the sun is not kind too there two of the sons that is true two sons yeah yeah yeah I mean this is a a country a planet where you had to have literal moisture Farms to generate water so yeah okay maybe their Skin's just not at their best I'm just going to throw that why not not settle on a planet that you need to farm moisture yeah it's easy to say that though because I think that about huge regions of planet Earth like why do people live there like for example just to get top iCal but to stay completely non-political right now two groups of people are fighting over one of the shittiest pieces of desert on planet

Earth right both say that it's theirs I say I'm just thankful I've never been there I don't think you can quite compare moisture fing on T to that I don't know man I don't have you seen this place it's just an arid desert I know it's symbolic and I know it's people's home I'm not I'm not dissing I'm not jumping in I'm not taking any sides I'm just saying you know it's not like they're fighting over I've lost you I'm not even going to continue down this but we move on so have you heard about we' spoke about the Florida Joker yes yeah and I think he's finally come to his senses and realized if they did make a character based on him this is a good thing for him yeah not only that hasn't he kind of

based his image on an existing character anyway soing Joker yeah so the back up for new listeners this this guy he must be like a local I don't want to say celebrity personality he just a he went viral because of his mug shot right okay so not only okay so it was a mug shot and he is a convicted criminal yeah um but he has a tattooed face right yes yeah and then after the GTA 6 sort of uh trailer came out and there was a character that sort of like he then went and dyed his hair purple to make him look more like the character because head green and he's I'm gonna Sue first it was a million then it was two and then it's 10 million now he's he's gone let me just voice the

character yeah because the thing is it's not to that game's not out yet right it's still yeah so if it was a problem they would just reskin that character to not look like him you know what I mean like the rockar for basing characters of them before like the famous Lindy Lohan one oh yes that was a GTA as well right yep GTA 5 she took him to court and lost and she was trying to claim that was it was weird there was there was s of two characters that she I think she was trying to claim with Bas off her one was in the loading screen there's just a girl in the Bikini doing the p and and if you recall that's what they do that's what the GTA games do they have generic stock characters in bikinis on their load screens and then there's another

character that you sort of had to help get away from the paparazzi and but yeah they came out so yeah rockar know what they're doing I think this is fastest thing you can do because this will give him his extra 15 minutes of f yeah man I mean look the the premise of this is It's said in Florida and they seem to have taken a lot of these again I don't want to use the word influencers but people who have gone viral through videos of them doing dumb things it's a very strange State yeah I mean I'm assuming there's normal suburbs in Florida where people are just normal people and go to work and yeah what was your experience to Disneyland and stuff but there it just seemed like a normal place did you go to

the beach did you go to what is that Beach what is that beach that you always see people like rollerblading along and uh in you know in their swimmers isn't that that's La isn't it that one the one oh there's yeah there's Venice Beach in La Florida beaches is where you see them just cracked full of people on spring break right right yeah Beach I'm not really down with my beaches to be honest um Florida beach I think it's just Florida Beach Florida beach yeah that makes okay straight right America's Wang and then yeah because yeah yeah only time I see is that when you're looking at Spring break break stories and yeah Pack full

of yeah yeah yeah or videos of you know twerking out the window of a car and uh Florida Joker etc etc which they have replicated in the game but they've not been shy about that either they've they've basically said we are mimicking local personalities for this yeah that because a lot of the stuff in the trailer is like viral clips that have been out there like with crocodiles and alligators not crocodiles they got alligators there yeah yeah in the bayou yes so look I'm I can't wait for it to come out I know that you and Matt will get it play for about five minutes and then stop look the the GTA games that I've liked I've liked a lot and I've played like you know um Vice City San Andreas played

all the way through um but since then I think a I'm just a bit bored playing kind of criminal underworld figures mob type characters I'm just a bit bored of that um Rockstar Games are always top quality but I prefer they're more thematic games like the red Deads and uh you know Red Dead was too Max P too Red Dead to was far too big amazing once you got into the game and you unlocked the far shelter areas and could do that that but it was also that made it a bit boring though because yeah well I didn't do a lot of f because I did like just riding the horse yeah that was when in the snow that just

very long time yeah oh that intro if I was to ever play it again I'd try to see if I've got a save game just after that skip that yes because that you don't need that you do not need that great like oh yeah yeah but it again again yeah I don't want to do that again yeah I think Red Dead one which was a sequel of sorts I guess in and of itself of Red Dead Revolver but um it was the perfect length yeah uh I've I've criticized before that you kind of the basic missions that you start off to learn how to do things returned at the end and I thought that was a bit weird thematically it worked because you start off as a farm hand then you become a bandit and then eventually you become the master of your own property and it's

got a very very cool ending but you do end up just fixing a lot of fences and stuff around your farm look I'm interest I'm cuz I will play I GTA 6 but I'm worried that they're going to focus a lot on their online because that's been their Cash Cow for so long and look I don't mind if they release stuff that's for online but allow me to play it single player as well how does the online work for GTA because I as like the only ones I've played are the older ones and I can't imagine how you would play those and if we had if we had if we had time and friends who also had time it could be quite fun because you sort of so we all play as multiple characters different characters or we all just play yeah you create your own character and

create and then there's like different activities you can do like you can steal cars and then sell them on it's actually quite interesting but if you're not playing with people it's not that fun yeah yeah I think if they it' be nice if they could introduced like the heists I'd love to do the heists but you need people to do it with sure okay you've that sounds interesting that would be interesting literally stealing cars and swapping out VIN numbers selling them on doesn't sound too interesting to me but like you have to do like lots of little missions like go and steal this car park this bus here go get this go set stuff up do Recon like all of that sounds fun but you have to play with people yeah and it has to be in Florida well no we just one to remember

GTA 5 is in CU I'm talking about five that's of course oh okay I'm more likely to play La well there's another Rockstar game that I like is LA Noir that was published by Rockstar right yes made in Australia by team bundai yeah who made one of the best games and then then they shut down yeah yeah I'll say though that does get a little repetitive after a while yes and also your choices don't actually matter no and actually the funny thing is you realize the choices don't matter as you're playing it because because you still progress anyway but then they weave that into the story in a strange way but much too late much too late in the game for you to spoiler alert for a game that came out ages ago sure this guy murdering these women but you arrest someone for each of

the murders and then it comes out later it's like the May's nephew or something yeah so essentially you don't know it's a serial killer or your character kind of does your character kind of has an idea that maybe it is because he starts following CL just arrest someone close this C yeah so you arrest a new person for each individual murder only to later which does make sense why even if you kind of screw up the bust you still progress to the next level because actually it's not any of those people anyway I want to they need to make a sequel to that yeah they do need to make a sequel they do need to make a sequel I I replayed it recently because it came out on switch and I thought switch is a perfect platform for it because you know it can handle a game

from 15 years ago maybe well you would have got the remastered version it is remastered but it it just makes it feel like you remember it being anyway it has it's not a remake it's you know it's literally just an upscale yeah but yeah it's it's good give give me a new one I like that because even with that like it's more about the story than the combat like you can actually skip more combat in the game yeah yeah oh yeah and you can skip the driving too cuz I find that driving very difficult and unintuitive yes but you can just ask your partner to drive every single time unless it's a a Chase unless the actual mission is a Chase but then if you fail it three times they let you skip it anyway yeah you want to skip this I used to like just getting the car and then making my partner sort of Chase

the car as I sort of drove off slowly in front of him yeah yeah it's his car like it's his car and he goes yeah yeah that's right yeah no one wants to drive the car and but the thing is too though like there's hidden cars that you can unlock and all of this stuff in that game I never bothered with any of that because you hey you don't have to you don't get any advantages and it's not like vice city where the cars are very different to one another because it's the 80s like these are all cars from the 30s that just look the same as one another all weigh about six ton yeah that's right yeah I've got no real no Nostalgia for those types of cars certainly but speaking of playing three games a second time I'm well into my second playthrough of Alan Wake 2 right now how is that it

changes things what what does it change so to back up and this is not really a spoiler but it is the end of alen wake 2 but in the end of Alan Wake 2 uh he finds himself in a kind of a spiral as he puts it you know the first game ended with it's not a lake it's an ocean and then the second game ends with it's not a loop it's a spiral that's right so time isn't cyclical it just keeps going on and on and on with slight differences each time and so they've and I actually did not know about this when I first played it but once you complete the game something pops up and it says the final draft because it's about an author writing writing a book um and you can play the game through again multiple times I

guess um with slight differences so so far I haven't really encountered anything different per se the I think the differences come in later on and there's a whole new ending evidently so I think when you I think when you fight the end boss sort of in in the second time around you end up with a different scenario than you did the first time you fought him when you worked out that it wasn't a loop it was a spiral that's the main difference different manuscripts that you find this time I'm actually reading them as well the F like in the first Alan white game I was kind of just collecting them as Collectibles and I wasn't really focusing on this on the story of it this it's a bit more compelling but mostly I'm just understanding the game a

lot more the second time around and when you play it the first time and it's all mysterious that's all well and good that's very interesting but when you play it and it makes sense it's interesting on a whole the level I wish they had like achievement an achievement final draft did you but I mean yeah so there's not even a yeah right okay right there's no incentive other than just to experience incentive to go back and just play a great game again but that achievement I can't do it yeah you'd be missing out on achievements for something else that would be counting towards your um lots of things I noticed the first the second time playthrough so for example and this this is on me this is not on the game but like the later on in the game when

you're playing as Allan you meet a sheriff in the dark place and I was like who the [ __ ] is this guy and I didn't realize I must have just blinked and missed it the first time but he is part of saga's story and he just disappears into the dark place that you see that happen um but I was like oh okay well that makes way more sense now than it just being this nonse character who just shows up and gives you yeah a map and other hints and things like that but there's also just so many little I sent you that screenshot the other day and they don't focus on this they don't zoom into it but just Mr door in his talk show when he's interviewing Alan he has the OD dear Diner mug on his table which is the diner that Saga is in in her storyline that he was in in the previous game so

it's just all these all just ties in together and just yeah I also realized if you go into Mr door's dressing room when you're backstage again they don't make this this it doesn't figure into the story whatsoever it's just another little detail he's reading a book by that doctor character I forget his name from control who gives you all those all that backstory and Exposition in the control game yep so I'm so glad they sort of controlled it sort of well and then let them to be able to go back to do Ellen wake because Ellen wake was the first game was great combat was a bit Yeah Yeah a bit tedious yeah and then they made alen wake American nightmares which was just action and just combat that we didn't really like from that yeah that's right and not even really

playing as Alan Wake but now they've allowed you to they've been allowed to do what they want and we get a great game it's not just a it's not a SE it's a sequel but it's not like a Cod 2 or yeah yeah um the other thing that I am enjoying this time around is not having to figure out what the [ __ ] is going on as I'm playing I can just play it and again that was fine the first time around because you explore but like even just in in Allan's storyline there's like taken everywhere but you don't you don't have to engage them you don't have to fight them mostly just switch off your torch and you can walk right past them um the first time I

tried to fight literally everyone I encoun like you have to do when you're in Saga story y very different game well very different game just very different ways of handling there's one bug though have you heard about this no so this doesn't affect me because I did a a fairly detailed playthrough the first time sounds like you did as well or even more so how you proceed into the final draft uh second play yep is always based on your first playr right yep so if you played through and say you focused on the story you didn't do a lot of exploring and so you missed out a lot of Collectibles and stuff you finish the game you finish the game and then

you go oh actually before I progress to the final draft I might just go back and load a save and and go back and find all that other stuff and complet it a bit more completely and then move on to the final draft it will continue from the first time you finished not the most recent time and people are pretty annoyed about that well yeah because that's the save that you yeah no that's that's right that's to me that's how it should work I I tend to agree and I think that's on you if you just rush through it also gives you warnings it absolutely does yeah if you this is and if there's anything else you want to do go do that now yeah yeah if you haven't gone back now that you've got got the bolt cutters and cut every lock that you couldn't get to the first

time then you're not going to be able to do them yeah that's right that's fair people can be upset about it but that's your fault yeah now um remedy have said they will look at it they will consider changing it so that it just continues from your most recent because people seem to really want that but um but it doesn't matter anyway because you're going through the same levels you're going into the same yeah places so you could just find them the second time I don't I don't really know and you can get achievements the second I've gotten achievements that I didn't get the first time for finding things yeah cats are fighting can you explain this image that was sent to us earlier today I may have picked up one of my cats upside down and

she was actually quite enjoying it until Hannah got the photo and then it looks like that she's freaking out and panicking and I'm torturing the it looks like you're literally abusing an animal I am not she actually enjoys it yeah yeah it's just when the photo came out it just looks like yeah it went downhill pretty quick yeah yeah um there is something here phop new which I find a bit strange and I thought with the recent strikes and everything this might have been thing but the air cut it's a no yeah it's a it's an absolute definite no so Suicide Squad you know famously garbage movie um but Oscar award winning

oh yeah makeup something like for makeup makeup effects um so David a who's the director of it basically said it's not my fault that it sucks he said he handed in his cut and it was a perfectly good movie and then they got somebody else to come in and re-edit it y like a music video and it is very OBT in its editing lots of text on the screen and graphics and slowmo and freeze frames and stuff like that it apparently wasn't in his I do believe him that his version was probably different marginally better yeah different sure and probably better but not by much because I mean it's still going to be the same old movie right that he and he's been the one pushing for the air cut like we got cut of Justice League and he's also said things

like oh there's way more of Jared Leto as the Joker and it's like mate you don't understand what we hated about this movie um but it seems like uh it's not ha well look DC said it's not happening full stop from the beginning but he was really pushing for it but evidently he he is just he's tired yeah he said he's done with DC he's not going to push for an air cut um done and done very sad he had a good cry and now feels healthier and now he just needs his wounds to heal that's so sad I know right look I actually thought that they might chance like with the strikes that happen we're coming up to a stage where there's going to be they need content yeah so why not take these sheld movies that one of

brothers did like maybe bgirl yeah that would be the perfect I mean it's literally sitting there isn't it complete as far as I know yeah just release it just go hey this is not Cannon this is not anything yeah it's just a movie straight streaming mate there's no such thing as Canon anymore they've got a Joker movie that's got nothing to do with it they've got a Batman movie that's got nothing to do with it do a bgirl movie who cares yeah just just not everyone has to be Marvel no so yeah I don't know we'll see look I I will say I will actually watch this I'd watch it but I'm not I'd watch on a streaming service oh yeah yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't pay to go and see it no God no God no

service that I already have I'm not going out of my way to watch it yeah no think that's a lot of other people's thoughts on it as well why the whole the whole concept of a director's cut happened by accident anyway then then the first one that people kind of know is the Blade Runner director's cut and when I was um a teenager that was kind of the version we were all watching it was like oh there's a director's cut um but actually a lot of people don't know that had nothing to do with the director and um that was a a film festival who found an old work print that was just a rough draft of the final so it's just an unfinished version released it and called it the director's cut and um people loved it because you

know was slightly more raw than the you know slightly different ending didn't have the voiceover in yet um which and everyone's like oh director's Cuts directors can just go back and re-edit their movies and then it kind of in a in a strange Paradox Ridley scottt was like well I had nothing to do with that but actually I would like to go back and do one yeah and so he did the Final Cut and uh and kind of did a hybrid of them both really plus some new some new stuff but yeah like directors they direct they're not that's different to editing a movie yeah like yeah I don't know it's it's a group effort but yeah just because of the

director says this is what I like directors maybe also sometimes aren't good at seeing the entire picture like oh yeah uh let's look at uh what's that movie that just came out that Star Wars ripoff Rebel Moon oh sure have you watched that yet I've watched that you watched it good movie it's on my list it's on my like bookmarked and I just keep looking at it and going nah but see the problem is is with this cuz when he came out and went that's a longer cut that would be better and it's all like yes it would be because you ski out the story in it but his idea of making movies is to make them very very long yeah yeah so that's not a good way to tell a story in a movie because you don't want a 4-Hour movie to sit there and watch you want

but the the irony is that a lot of it's I don't know about this one but Zack Snider's movies always have so much slow motion like and not just normal slow like super slow motion it's like mate if you just made this normal speed this movie would be normal length look watch Rebel Moon and you watch it could have been good and I can understand why he's saying like there needs to be more because it's missing so much like they just basically go and collect people who are going to fight the war for them but no explanation of why these who these people are or so it's it's an early it's an early 2000s black hog movie then yes show the cool stuff and don't explain why anyone's actually there or what they're doing that's exactly what it is

so watch it I will watch it I've got that and the the Creator is that the Creator Gareth Edwards sci-fi one that Matt saur and said was disappointing as well so I just I've got two disappointing Sci-Fi movies that I know I'll just wish were better yeah yeah yeah Rebel Moon that's already got a sequel so yeah I think he doesn't so cheap and so quick like I think he's just he's always on budget he's always on time they'll just always give him some money to make the movie well yeah part two it comes out in March or something like it's not like waiting a year or anything yeah well I think he shoots him in a studio too like not like Avatar where we're getting one every two years Jesus Christ I'm not even I didn't even see that last I'm not I'm not I'm out I'm done it's not

good no um another so just while we're quickly talking about of Star Wars and and and Recaps I read a an interesting perspective the other day that somebody said the reason there's and again obviously this is not the real reason but the reason there's arguments about who shot first Han or greo is because there were so many people in the MOs Le Cana and everyone's memory of that incident is a little bit different so like somebody who was standing on this side might have said oh yeah no I saw Han he was the only one who shot and the other somebody standing on the other side might have said no no I'm pretty sure this guy shot as well well who shot first and this whole thing about trying to justify why there's multiple versions

is because it's this like completely subjective didn't shoot at all it's not that he shot first he didn't even shoot yeah that's that's the Star Wars valid valid yeah yeah that's true because that's where that originally who shot first came from because remember they edited in that greo shot and Miss from fo away right and then they made it that it bent like it did like ricocheted which is why he missed they man they've changed that so many times they made it that they shoot at the same time yeah which just leave it to how sh in C blood yeah yeah because that's who he was mhm if you some of the books from back then he was a gunfighter as well he would do jewels on behalf of people and

sure even with his Blaster because it had the sights on it he'd file down the sights so when he pulled it out it wouldn't get caught in these holster and stuff see that's red that's awesome oh man I miss those old Han Solo at stars end and all of that stuff yeah they were great books not for adults they were really teenage books yeah yeah yeah that's right but that's fine we were very very young I was a teenager I read them I love them exactly yeah um so Denny off and Weiss who adapted Game of Thrones for TV um and famously ruined that eventually um were going to do a Star Wars and they had they were signed up but as Kathleen Kennedy likes to do she likes to announce when Star Wars movies

are happening and then cancel them so there's is not does she care them or just stop talking about them and then well go yeah that's not happening anymore yeah so that that was this one they they're not doing it I mean they they're moving they're done they're doing other stuff now but they said that their Star Wars movie was going to be set thousands of years ago and it was going to be about the first person to work out that they were Force sensitive so the very very first Jedi and I think that could have been quite interesting a because it wouldn't have had Darth Vader or any Skywalkers in it hopefully hopefully it wasn't like Jeff Skywalker and it's like and it's a family thing and this is a good thing like it could have been something set like it not about anything

else like in the Star Wars Universal it's cool but you don't have to have a Skywalker and yeah people don't have to be related doesn't it have it it doesn't have to be about Rebels versus Empire it could just be yeah no or any other kind of Giant floating weapon what are what are Star Wars movies we are getting cuz I'm so confused now what's coming out now let's look actually that's a good point Star Wars upcoming yeah it sort of got Mandalorian and grou is the next one oh yeah that's that's a movie now which hope that's just a made TV movie I I'm not going of a movie to see that no and I'm only 5050 whether I would even watch that on streaming

because I've not even seen the third season of uh Mandalorian then there's Star Wars the new Jedi Order what is that Daisy Ridley returning as Ray Skywalker oh yeah heard that so it's episode 10 essentially I guess yeah um oh I think I think Donald Glover actually said something about the Lando movie recently okay I that's that's one of the few ones I'd go out of my way to see re solo was not good but Donald Glover as Lando was amazing yeah 100% he was the best thing about why are there all these capes so good okay so uh SOA season two Andor season

two um and a few other bad batch season 3 acolyte Skeleton Crew then there's ta White Star Wars movie mhm then there's James Mangold Star Wars movie then there's Dave filoni's Mando verse New Republic movie then John favos Mandalorian movie Star Wars Rogue Squadron movie that was that one's been cancelled that was the one that was going to be done by oh uh yes no it's James Cameron's ex-wife was it yeah it's going to be done and for that one I that's a movie I'd actually like but I'd like that as a television series and to focus on like yeah like a Battle Star Galactica but but set within the Rogue Squadron that would be excellent that would have been really

good again just focus on their [ __ ] don't don't make it about the greater politics or anything just the day-to-day [ __ ] in that Squadron that they're going through they're going out they're just shooting down X-Wing no shooting down Tie fighters you sometimes they lose Pilots you get a new pilot to come in yeah yeah then the Lando movie Star Wars Rangers of the new Republic I remember that but that's presumed cancelled yeah because I think that Ryan Johnson Star Wars Trilogy presumed cancelled but but not officially canceled officially but he's still the only one that talks about it Trilogy though too like wasn't even just a one-off movie or episode of Mandan [ __ ] Trilogy both announced it like

before his movie had even come out that y I'm going to do this Trilogy and then his movie came out and then Disney never spoke about it again yeah that's right wait till one comes out and like he could have done the next one like at least give him one maybe two before you promis three I think I know people are sick of talking about Sal I think that drives me crazy about the sequels were they didn't like they came out and said we're making a trilogy but didn't have the story worked out just let everyone write their own story and sort of like yeah what because there were so many things like like that first scene in Rogue one where uh PO is given that data disc or Whatever It Is by that old man and he hides it in

uh BB and then the [ __ ] Empire come and attack like who was that old guy what was the info what's the backstory to that like this is all very interesting stuff you've set up yes and then we just never touch on that ever again no forget it and I still think they missed a great thing with Luke they just destroyed his character oh man and no one's more angry about that than Mark Hamill because yeah you ruined something like you just put out that Luke even though he's saw good in his in his father to murder his nephew cuz he had right cuz he had a hunch yeah that's right yeah murdering in the n in his sleep yeah and the other what they could have changed instead of having like Luke could have tried to change the force

like instead of just being light and dark it could have been hey yes it's in between we don't have to be in extreme and yeah yeah yeah and all those rules of two that the you know the Sith bring in he could be like it doesn't have to be like this we can just take this back to like a Grassroots type of thing and the force can be more of a religion you know like it used to be instead of this just way to fight each other missed it they missed the mark yeah ran Johnson just really and then the last one is just uh well there's nothing I can do with this let's just blow [ __ ] up yeah every ship put every ship anyone's ever seen put a raptor in there it's not that show no don't worry put it in there it'll be fine I I remember so little about that

movie and I know there were bits that I liked because the one time I saw it in the cinema I remember liking that little babo freak guy I remember a couple of other things being quite good but just generally speaking it was awful why is this an army of Imperials still starty like here and just when they go to that planet The Burning Man planet and it's just all these aliens doing a synchronized Dance I'm like oh man this is like special edition return to the Jedi garage they go and get the Army and everyone join the Army to fight like why is this first order there if everyone in the galaxy is against them like yeah how you power yeah yeah that's right true right

because actually in the first movie in Star Wars sorry listeners in in the in a new hope Star Wars um Luke is going to join the academy like he's going to join the Empire because he wants to be a pilot and he wants to be in the Army and it wasn't evil per se it's just that there were certain people in there that were you know zealots about it and that they were you know like breaking the eggs to make the omelet etc etc and he eventually I mean he only I mean there's deleted scenes where you know he meets an old friend who is already about to jump ship and all of that stuff yeah but um I mean it really is only because he meets Leia and she talks him into it wants to get laid that's right doesn't know their brother and sister well they weren't at

that time no they absolutely were not or or or none of that would have happened all right we don't have to talk about Star Wars anymore and actually actually with them being brother or sister that wasn't even a thing I think George just made that up in Return of Jedi so even in Empire it wasn't a oh yeah oh they they Mack on in the start of Empire yep and that wasn't haha people going to find this weird later it was a no he had to work out why Luke snaps and went oh yeah I'll make them related and then there way that's how we do it yeah that was the beginning of the end let's talk about some other franchise that people love that I don't understand oh there's there's plenty here which which one do you want to choose I see he was bored of the

Rings so this is followup a couple of weeks ago I said that um I never actually read the books of Lord of the Rings and I wanted to go back and read them um mostly because I like the movies Lord of the Rings and I figured you know I like books as well so this will be good I'll get the expanded law um these are really boring go these are so boring there's a lot of words look the thing is I'm not going to say talk is not a great World Builder or character creator or linguist he's all of these things but I don't think he's necessarily a good writer because he's longwinded he changes tone like like willy-nilly it's it's the movies are better the movies are better like when you watch that

movie and you he starts off on black and you hear Kate Winslet you know I feel it in the war like it's so visceral it's just it just pulls you in this book you've got to really just keep saying just keep reading you might get to some good stuff later and that's not what a good book is you could actually just see what it is in the book He's explaining in a lot of detail about what you meant to be and that would be fine too if he explained it and then stopped and moved on to something else but he will say the same thing over and over in different ways and you're like yeah man you told told me about this it's like just listening to like a long- winded colleague tell you what they did on the weekend you're like yeah I get it you went to the beach

like get to the point like what what what happened there how was it yeah that's right yeah so I've I've stopped I've stopped I deleted it off my Kindle I'm not going back yeah I I might I may watch the movies again just to the enjoy them I might not even do that to be honest aren they like 12 hours or something well I think even if you just took the same three would be two and a half would be close to 10 hours so I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least 12 um but I I tend to think there's a reason that movies are only a certain length long you know stories Good well-rounded stories in a 3 structure 90 minutes two hours is where you want it to be for a movie especially

Fellowship I mean there's just a lot more walking in that Extended Cut a more walking so yeah no apparently I don't like Lord of the Rings sorry sorry nerds I've let you down I've been honest I've never liked it yeah never read the books I watched the first movie and went this is not for me I don't like fantasy I don't mind fantasy and I like some more than others I'm more like a sword and sorcery kind of fantasy fan like I like He-Man you know what I mean Conan that kind of stuff more than elves and wizards yeah like I like Conan and stuff like that yeah but it's Wizards and yeah no not for me I I'll confess something I never play as a mage or a wizard if if I get a chance in a computer game I'm always the Barbarian or the Archer or they're

fun yeah I just want to kill people I don't want to be [ __ ] around with spells which I think is why I couldn't get into Witcher too is because it was too focused on the magic which of three is just like just stab people yeah like you can like which of three is great you can just run stab people or you can take a little bit of time and work out which oils you need to put in your sword to fight which ones or just run and stab just [ __ ] yeah that's right that's what I put the level down and just stab that's what I did that's exactly what I did speaking of Witcher so there a little bit of followup here um on um TV star and film Enthusiast Henry caval right people think they've pinpointed the exact moment he decided not to return for The Witcher season 4 right

really did you have a look at this interview so this is an interview it's it's a panel somewhere I forget where it is it's him you don't even have to listen to it you can just you can just watch a still really and I I'll I'll put us I'll put a still in the notes but yeah he's sitting next to the showrunner and she is saying she goes we wanted geralt to be like just relatable to everyone right and so we just kept infusing more and more humor into the story and just making him really relatable and Henry caval is sitting next to her just like like you can just tell that's just not what he thinks at all and uh evidently this was this interview was very very close to him just walking out

so they reckon he was just like [ __ ] this obviously we have like he's a gamer I think he thought you guys have not played this game you haven't read these books I have I mean look I'm not all I'm not for actors getting heavy on set and throwing their weight around but I think he was like no look it's called The Witcher I play The Witcher and I'm very invested in this and I need you to just trust me what when I do this you know like we we heard stories about him just like cutting lines out on the Fly because he was like no I wouldn't say that yeah deal with it other actors but then in the other way is you do have to make him sort of talk more in a TV show then you would necessar with the game because in the the game there's

other stuff happening in the book you've got stuff explaining what's going through 10 and what's other character thinking and doing in the TV show you can't just have him go and that's a 15 minute scene yeah that's right I'll admit I didn't even watch the whole season two I start I watched like two episodes and just could get into it and I don't really know why because season one was very good yeah very very good just yeah and what this because was he back for season three yes he's in season three but we haven't got that yet right no and then season four we switch over to a to a Hemsworth to a lesser Hemsworth yeah but yeah I I don't even know of which I mean Matt SARS by it Matt's like you guys are insane it's just as

good just didn't didn't grab me look something else that Matt loves that that it turns out I do not share his enthusiasm for and I know you'll be on my side in this one listeners I I watch I went back to watch Twin Peaks this week um original or the new one the original because my my my I I've seen the original way back in the day not when it was first on I was too young but somewhere in after that I had watched it and really liked it never saw the second season never saw the prequel movie and certainly didn't watch the the modern season um but you know playing you know just played Alan Wake and you know I read a lot of Stephen King and I was kind of in the mood for that kind of country Town horror yeah and so I watched season one Eight Episodes murder

mystery who SL off very good good good mystery good characterization good setting good World building excellent season two completely different show um Supernatural soap opera is how I describe it if I had to it it it is garbage it is nothing like the first season if it wasn't that the characters are still playing the same like act same actors playing the same characters you would think this is not the same show are you gonna finish watching it or are you tapping out I'm not gonna I'm tapping out I'm not going to watch this and I in fact so I I watched the first episode I was like this is awful but maybe it's just growing pains like maybe just I need to readjust to the to the tone of this started the second and and like I stopped and I was like I don't

think I can do this and so then I went and watched a 40 minute long uh summary of the second season because I thought maybe maybe I just need to know what happens and then I can and I'm so glad I didn't watch it because it's just [ __ ] garbage like just so many things under mind also you find out who killed Laura Palmer in episode four of season two and then there's like there's 20 episodes in that season so there's like 12 more episodes or something after you've they've solved the mystery where they're just trying to add other story elements but you already don't care and it looks like there's I'm sure there's some good scenes in there and some good new characters and stuff but it's just it just seems very silly sort of a weird count of episodes

for something back then cuz back then then everything was 26 episodes yeah so I think I think they didn't expect the first season to go very well so they just gave it a very very short season and then it went so well they just gave it a huge season goahead for this and it just problem whereas yeah we don't actually have a story for all that we had another eight episode story in our heads and give it US 22 Episodes yeah yeah but instead of stringing it out they just made those eight and then just made more phoned it in the rest and took their check yeah really so yeah I'm I'm out I don't I don't give a [ __ ] what happens in the prequel I don't give a [ __ ] what happens in the new one I'm sort of happy like with streamings now how you they will just make up TV shows

for as long as they need to be now not Y the limited run series is my favorite I think it's the best thing that's happened to TV yeah you don't have to have Filler episodes because you got to make that 26 episode so you don't have to the crap episode and there won't be like like Haunting of Hill House great okay are we going to do season two no let's just let that guy make another show okay so now he's making midnight mass oh that was great season two no let's just let him make another show okay House of user great season two no no need just make another show yep love it I haven't seen any of it but I'm sure I will one day but that's how it should be yeah absolutely oh you Haven seen any of those three shows started watching

and hatte it because I love who's in him did you watch any of midnight mass no so that's the one where Rahul yeah proves that not he's not just a great comedian he's a [ __ ] good actor like a good dramatic actor and I've always own that and that's why he should be the next James Bond I would I'm 100% behind that is this just us pushing has he mentioned that he wants to be James respond pretty sure like if he had a said it would have yeah he would if he got asked a question he would say yes but it is just us pushing through a lot of people that were up for it are kind of too old now because they they let it drag on but I don't think he's too old I think he's right in The Sweet Spot he's at that perfect age yeah oh man we got to get a campaign happening we should

because he he can do the humor because I do want go back to that sort of campy Bond yes oh he could do that man you should he's so funny in um the the recent one the house of user he's so funny in it yep and he's funny because when he commits to Comedy it's taking it deadly it's not like um Adam Sandler or J Cary where they're doing wacky [ __ ] he does it with such sincerity that it's just hilarious yeah no we need to get this campaign going yeah all right let's put him on the thumbnail this week as James Bond as James Bond yeah Rahul for Bond y excellent name of this episode yeah yeah yeah right what else we can fit something else in before we get to the

Afterparty I think yeah oh I wanted to uh to tell you something because last week um you said when we're talking about the Oscars and you were saying they've lost relevance and I don't disagree but you said I don't think they're going to last long and uh almost as a response to that they're like [ __ ] it we're adding more categories really so yeah so there's a new category in the next Oscars best casting what so there's going to be an award now for the casting agent who suggested What actors to put in the movie now I guess having good actors in your movie with good chemistry is is part of what makes a movie good yeah but does anyone care do they deserve an award for it I don't know this isn't

helping it make it more relevant because this is another war that the public do not care about no that's right yeah and look I'll I'll even go as far as saying like even things like editing sound editing and all of that stuff no one cares about them to the point where last year they put those on during the ad breaks and didn't televise them and the people that were up for those Awards got really shitty but but they were like nobody cares this is when every everyone's going out to make a cup of tea anyway the only thing that people actually like to watch they watch like people walking on a red carpet to see what they're wearing and then they look at Best Actor best film and then went done like yeah I could cut down the Oscars to 30 minutes that's right yeah

yeah and that's a TV 30 minutes with ads so that's 22 minutes yeah doesn't need to go on for as long as it has yeah yeah no this it's not going to work sorry the Oscars it's it's on its way out I think they'll still do it because I think I think they still are gonna want to Pat each other on the back but I think they might stop televising it yeah they might doesn't need to be the big production for that they put it on yeah it must cost them a fortune to put this on each year too because also they get presents and stuff as well yeah I think most of those are donated I'd like to get donated some of those one of those B it's like worth thousands of oh yeah there's [ __ ] I was about to

say iPods showing my age yeah it's like Tech g g gadgets and like high-end perfumes and all the stuff that that they're rich they don't need yeah and they don't care S one my way I'll care yeah that's right we'll talk about it on the show yes send me anything and I'll talk about on the show my daughter has started watching um uh I think I mentioned this briefly last week she she stopped watching the shows she likes and she only wants to watch YouTube versions of those shows so what are these like I don't so okay so there's a couple of categories so number one the one that just was I was reminded of in this conversation is people playing with toys and making up their

own episodes and it's kids doing it isn't it 5050 so so the the the better ones are the are kids doing it so it's kids playing with toys making them talk of stuff the ones where adults do it are a little bit sad because it's it's almost exclusively men you could tell that they're our age or a bit older like it it's just it's just a bit sad right and just the St and it's they just oh hello you know like it's just it's just there's something a bit wrong about it um but these kids that do it seem I this is on YouTube kids isn't it so it's so there's yeah so the one that she's obsessed with at the moment is not on YouTube kids because it's like M or PG rated which is you know how Peppa Pig

is quite rudimentary in its animation style I don't know if you've seen much of it but it's it's like early I will admit I paid a Peppa Pig game right okay yeah so because it's so rudimentary it's easily emulated so people and I don't mean one channel I mean a whole bunch of different people have made fake Peppa Pig episodes that look like real episodes ex get taken down I don't know well I think parody laws I think because they say this is a parody of of uh you know Peppa Pig and you're allowed to you're allowed to parody at to a certain level as long as you're not leading people to think that they're watching a real episode of Peppa Pig but there are zombie ones alien ones there's one

that's an episode of squid games where the characters from Peppa Pig are in the squid games scenario getting murdered and all of this stuff but it looks like your daughter watching this well there's 50 that that one is is is is pretty tame there was so my daughter loves zombies and aliens and she's obsessed with watching and most of them are pretty tame but we watched one the other day where like Peppa Pig and Bluey I think got kidnapped by aliens and [ __ ] probed and [ __ ] and I was like this is going off I'm drawing the line at this drawing drawing the line oh yeah I just Googled zombie Peppa Pig and oh my God but it looks real right other than that that they would never have that in a Peppa Pig episode Peppa Pig zombies done by like this 14 million

views so there was one see the zombies ones at least look you can tell they're fake cuz there zombies right we watched one the other day that just looked like a normal Peppa Pig episode except they got into a car crash and the mum died right mommy pig died and then Daddy Pig so they're all sad they [ __ ] there was a funeral then Daddy Pig remarried with Mrs rabbit which is another character in it and became the Stepmom but then her and Peppa would fight and they would never quite get on and there was nothing bizarre like no aliens and stuff like nothing to suggest this wasn't an episode other than this wouldn't possibly an episode that's

okay yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of it yeah but I don't know this doesn't quite seem parody to me this just seems ripoff yes we're taking your characters and we're just going to re make our own stuff yeah well there's one that Peppa Pig is Spider-Man and so it's both it's both ripping off Peppa Pig and Spider-Man and it properly does the thing when she turns into it you see the DNA you know the DNA cracks and rejoins up and stuff like in the old Spider-Man and that all happens in it so I'm surprised they haven't been sued by Sony and by BBC like they're not doing this with Mickey Mouse that's for sure yeah yeah you'd have to be pretty ballsy to do that you can do it with steam Willie now yeah yeah yes you can within

certain limitations um look there's something that popped into my head this week that I wanted to ask you about and um I don't know if it's a short answer or um or something more detailed but I'd like to ask you about it in the Afterparty so how about we head over there uh listeners if you'd like to join us multiple nasm Afterparty uh or patreon.com multipl nerg um sign up monthly tier a month a month month yeah a month you can give us$5 a week if you want that's also fine yeah that's also absolutely fine that's all for this week thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed the show if you enjoyed it then please subscribe and item to receive episodes automatically we'll see you next time