Interview: Joseph Schmalke – Whore of Babylon

hey it's Matt here uh we got a cool interview for you this week Jenner and I spoke to Joseph schmy he's a comic book author and illustrator he's got a Kickstarter running right now for his new book called horror of Babylon if you're into horror or Comics or or even more specifically horror comics then check it out cuz you'll probably enjoy it uh we'll put links to everything in the show notes um please let us know what you think if you want us to do more interviews and who you'd like us to interview uh head over to multiple nerdgasm but for now please enjoy this interview with Joseph schmy uh Joseph schmy is the creator writer and artist behind the calamitous black Devils The Infernal packed and the upcoming [ __ ] of Babylon thank you for coming on the podcast

thanks a lot guys that's good to have you thanks thanks uh so did you guys uh get a chance to read um infernal pack it was climet black Devils you guys got right we did yeah we bought clus black uh I then got infernal packed on comixology so I could read it as well cuz I actually I really enjoyed clamus black Devils so oh cool I was like awesome yeah I was like cool I'll check them both out and now I'm excited about the new one yeah yeah uh so with calamitus black Devils um that that got picked up after um pretty much issue two was being wrapped up so all that anybody had seen at that point was issue one and um so then it it became like no you're

no longer putting out issues uh didn't say anything like you know my work was [ __ ] or anything he was just like oh it's you know you could do this different you could do that different so I started taking his advice then um I showed it to uh CB suboi the next year who uh works for Marvel and and he gave me more advice so when I went into the infernal pact um I had already started creating some of the pages uh so I couldn't use his uh nuggets of wisdom for parts of issue one but uh as I went through the the process so yeah you you listen to the people that are in the industry and the books that you like and you can sort of start to to figure out how things are supposed to you know how the the whole art of paneling a comic

book is like something in of itself too it's not just the artwork it's it's like you know there are words on the page and how many words can you use and so I yeah right yeah and um Rachel daring who lettered issue one of the infernal pact um I like sent her the script and she's like no no no no you've you've completely we can't use this and so um she SED G she schooled me on you know rules that had to do with lettering and um you know how many words you can physically use on a panel without it being like just a roadblock for the reader so yeah right um yeah it's been a learning process I'm still learning you know I don't I always feel like there's [Music]

um but that's you know that's just my opinion of it too um so with that book I was able to produce about two pages a day okay and and as far as the writing goes that's actually the longest part um because I I I can't tell you how long it takes me to write something sometimes like uh infernal packed came pretty quick um I think I wrote it in like two months it was done like the whole series was written and then with um climat this black Devils I was actually still writing it issue by issue so I didn't have like an ending until I the ending and then yeah Stephen King style it it was very organic you know it's like one of these things like well how is this going to work and then you you don't

want to follow into you don't want to do too many cliche things you don't want to make it too predictable but um you also want to make it you have to tie up all these ends these loose ends and stuff and I I don't know how successfully I did that I feel like I had so many left open that I was just like well there's more to it but it kind of leaves room for a sequel that way yeah yeah yeah it but it's also kind of a copout too sometimes because you're like intention was to tell one story not make multiple stories but I feel like if you read that and I never wrote something about it again you'd be okay with it um yeah well sometimes you know you don't want everything explained and they can go too far with that too so you know yes it's nice to leave the reader like the chance to fill

in the blanks yes yeah just like a movie you know um nobody needs to go you don't need a 20 minute long exposition of some talking head like telling that's show us what's going on yeah exactly or give us little hints here and there and let people put the the pieces together on their own but uh horror Babylon I started writing it in December and I finished it maybe a month and a half ago right so it a much longer process but it is a complete story it stands alone it's all by itself and I'm really like I think this is my best piece of writing that I've done so far uh cool it's it's like a pretty Epic Journey for this woman who uh so yeah I'll tell you right now um I have a Kickstarter up called horor bon and it's about this um shock rocker

Cherry Blackbird who has um sold her soul under distress under dress uh for fame and fortune and I I won't tell you what why she had to sell her soul because that comes out in the wash later but um basically I I won't say why but I do like your explanation for why she does that I think it's a good theory yes yes and um so yeah she sells her soul she becomes kind of like a degenerate um just just the worst kind of celebrity you can think of where she's kind of a [ __ ] and she is a chronic alcoholic and Drug user but she like the thing is is that because she's sold her soul she just doesn't care because she knows that she's got this time she's not die beforehand and and

that's never really fully explained but in my mind I feel like if you sell your soul to the devil he'll keep you alive until the contract's up just because he's like that yeah so um uh basically she's given up all hope in life and the the Devil comes to her on her 26th birthday and basically says that if um she can collect these seven demonic spirits that have escaped from hell then um he'll give her a pass so um there it is that's like the the buildup to the story and then she goes off on this journey uh to collect these these Spirits the these demonic souls and um she meets people along like one of them is her best friend who's the basist in her band and uh then she beats the

black hen and he's got his uh crony this this woman uh who ends up later on becoming their drummer and so it's kind of like it's fun in some way it's it's Got U it's got some dark humor there's I like to laugh and I like to grow loud at the same time and it's also like it's got a lot of um that exploitative feel of a 1970s film where it's got like awesome cheesy on liners and stuff like that but you know mixed with gross out it's very like I I guess it would be comparable to something like the Evil Dead part two oh nice um perfect but it it's also got a SAS factor to it too so lots of nudity violence um you know filthy language

drug use it's pretty fun um so it's kind of a sequel to The Infernal pack right because I know I mean uh it's got some returning characters from what I can tell some returning characters yes the black being like the most prominent one but there are others U oh okay cool but uh you don't have to read The Infernal pack to figure out who they are or why they fit into the story it gets explained but yeah the The Infernal pact for anybody that doesn't know is um this story about these three meth heads that sell their soul for drugs they wind up first they're turning into um the the woman beatric who's the like leader of the the three dumb asses that do this uh she she turns into this witch monster and like eats people with her vagina

and the guys turn into werewolves and um they they have these blackout moments and they start slaughtering people and they end up killing this biker and they get hunted down by this biker gang that ends up worshiping this demon and uh so this Demon's got his own agenda and the devil's got its own agenda and they're trying to you know save themselves from you know being cursed and it it's that's also a fun story yeah yes it is and the way kind of what Drew us to you in uh in the first place we met you at Boston ComicCon yes uh and uh firstly the art style because you had some stuff on display uh and you had a portrait of HB Lovecraft and then you described the plot of uh of calamitous black devils

and I was like well I mean I gotta buy this guy's stuff yeah yeah well climate of black Devils just like the kitchen sinks being thrown at you know it's World War II horror Elite Brigade of Army operatives and you know Nazi zombies and ancient gods and they get sucked through a doorway and there's mutants and aliens and yeah it's crazy yeah it's a good story to pull people in yeah they're all all of them I mean I me I've read the two uh and they they are fun and like like you know over the top and and great so uh I think our listeners would probably enjoy them quite a lot if they like listening to us they'll probably like reading your stories the the Wheelhouse is definitely invented for PE you know for my books is definitely for people that like the horror and sci-fi

genre and if you like art comedy and stuff like that uh certainly or a Babylon will be up your alley as well yeah and then um so yeah that Kickstarter is running now I got all sorts of cool stuff with it I me and my wife we also make a uh Tiana Bible and those are like mini porn comics so um what happens is I sort of I draw a couple of things and then she writes a story about it and then so the the first one we did is about uh basically the the Duke and Duchess infiltrate this um and they're pretty brainless stories because it's all about you know the it's just the porn yeah it's yeah they they go to they do like a Scooby-Doo investigation of

this ancient cult and realize that it's full of sheales that they end up getting into an orgy with um the next one they go and search of the Abominable Snowman and so you can I I don't have to tell you anymore that's that's all you yep sure um so that that's available through uh the kickstarter uh we also have um so I got four variant covers by some pretty cool artists yeah those are cool yeah um so I got JK Woodward he does Doctor Who and Star Trek and he did um Fallen Angel so he he's pretty big name out there his is like a painting and he pretty much just did a Rogues gallery for the um the cover and then um got Ben Bishop who's been working on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and he's got a lot of aonic

covers coming out for them uh then there's U Mor glum which is a a pseudonym for another artist and he uh is the artist for escape from Jesus Island and he did he his is like a fully digital painted piece where she's like rocking out on the cover and then um Rich Wood who has been working on Kyra jungle girl with uh Craig Russo for Dark Horse Comics and he Zombie Bomb and um his artwork's pretty amazing he did a like a ratfink sort of cover so they all they all came at me with their different interpretations of like what a rock poster would look like and I thought that was pretty cool awesome yeah great

for the reward tiers as well yeah yeah and then the my cover will glow in the dark because so you got you got an extra Edge on them well yeah the thing is that's going to be the regular edition right so um that's how it's going to be printed yeah for you know however long it goes but um the variant covers are all Limited in quantity and they're only getting one print run just sort of incentify it uh for and you know it's not just going to be in the kickstarter like if you can find me at a convention later I'll probably have a couple of those on me too but the regular edition is mostly what's being printed and then um we got exclusive posters uh somebody already got the uh tier reward which is you could be the devil in this comic oh awesome yeah I saw that that's awesome

some I I know the person who who got it too so it's going to be interesting to U do that person as the devil and then you can be a victim so you can get killed and I I kind of like I saw that Luther stro had done that um the artist from that was like you know you can be a victim in my comic and I was like that's a pretty cool idea so it is it's I I was like who you know somebody could get like blown up or ripped apart or something and in this book I have like you know there's a bunch of people get wasted at one point and so that that's where the victims could be in there and it's kind of cool when when people buy those because I don't have to think of what a character is going to look like it's I have for it so I'm like

that's it's a win-win for me yeah and it makes them feel like they're a part of it yeah but it also CU we did a Kickstarter um we made a video once and we found there were a lot of setbacks with um the amount of money that people put in we found that we were spending that or almost that amount on the rewards yeah we mostly just did t-shirts and physical things and I think things like what what you you're talking about they're way better because it's personal for the person right and it doesn't you're not going to like it doesn't cost you anything extra to yeah yeah like yeah um so my buddy Ben he he said to me not too long ago he was just like you know I like to approach things in a DIY sort of uh approach you know do

everything yourself what could I produce on own that doesn't cost me anything but can like right make somebody a part of it and so yeah I was like all right what can I do all by myself that I don't need you know a printer or you know a low a low cost to me to to make this happen so I have a lot of stuff like that in there too where yes it cost it cost me my time it cost me my effort right but I also get to make something really cool on the other end um yeah like the the Tiana Bibles we make those in our house and um part of that is because I don't want to lose any kind of relationships with printers but um the other part is I want it to look authentic and um so I I sold a couple of these at Boston to people that actually collect Tiana Bibles and they were like

really happy with them they're like oh my God these look so so I knew I did it right and um and I make them in a small batch too so they're like a limited thing I make them myself but you know it takes time and effort to put these together because they're all done by hand so yeah um but yeah if you can include people in it they'll they'll share the hell out of your project yeah exactly the other thing is too um actually today um I believe you backed yes I backed yes I did yes so uh I think you put us over the amount of people that we actually had for our last Kickstarter campaign oh oh cool so we've

actually gone over the amount of people that have backed the project from all my other previous projects so that's awesome congratulations yeah and so what did you learn by doing like because you've done two previous kickstarters before is there anything you picked up from those that you realized didn't work or yes so um from the first one I got a pretty brutal review from uh John Lee who is aiter for Comics tribe I don't know if he works exclusively with them or anything but he's a really good writer and um he looked at the clamus black devils and gave me a lot of feedback on that but that that wasn't necessarily good but right if you're going to be in this for the long run you're G to make mistakes and you got to

learn and you can't make things like that too personal so you you learn and one of the things I learned was these guys knew what they were talking about so I started talking to the guy that um I believe he he just runs it uh and his name's Tyler James and he runs a he he's really big on Kickstarter and he he runs a a podcast and stuff about it as well but me and him started talking about like different things that you could do for uh kickstarters to improve them and I started looking at how he was doing his because he's done quite a few of them and um so with the first one it was like actually the reason I started at Kickstarter was because my friend Tessy launched her album on there and she was the um drummer for dead boy and the Elephant men so um she came out with her

solo project and it got backed and I was like oh that's really cool you know what can you tell me about it so she she explained kickstarted to me and I was like oh maybe I could do that too because I wanted to make a comic book and it's been you know drawing and painting and stuff for years but when you do these shows and stuff um you know you're trying to sell something for a couple hundred bucks to a couple thousand dollars and you know it's hard to move that stuff and I was like I I've always loved comic books I love storytelling and I was like all right I and and I did film for a while which I wasn't a um wasn't very successful at uh mostly because I I'm not like a good collaborator with um large amounts of

people sure um so it's hard to be a director and and not be necessarily too jazzed on working with people you know yeah totally so I was like you know I can make a comic book as big and cinematic as I want and to answer your question what did I learn from Kickstarter so I launched the first one and um you know I had I had no background on like what I was really supposed to do so I just looked on the kickstarter page and they gave you some advice and then I launched it and then I started reaching out to people and I fortunately had enough friends and family and people that actually had liked my artwork already I was able to get that funded and that was just for one issue of a comic yeah and

um and it was it was a low dollar amount and I wasn't thinking big you know I wasn't like I'm gonna get this into Diamond distribution or anything like that I was just like I want to make a comic book and I sell it to you and that's what it is it's not like people are donating to you they are it's an exchange of goods they're giving you money you give them a project everybody wins so um I did a really small print run I think it was like 400 issues of calaminus black Devils number one and from that you know I got I got picked up by Broken Icon Comics and now it has a larger distribution um but only in graphic novel format I wasn't thinking that big and then um so you know when it came around to the next project because now I

have now I have climate as black Devils done and I was like oh you know I want to I want to make another book but I don't have you know $5,000 to do this again yeah so um and now I was thinking bigger and this is what the infernal packed and I was like I'm going to make three issues I'm just going to do the whole series I'm going to back it now and I was like I'm going to do it as singles and I I hired CP Wilson who did um wraith for Joe Hill and he's oh yeah for Stuff of Legend as well he did a a cover and then I got Stephen Scott who uh has drawn virtually everything for every company at some uh he did a cover for me so I here

I am like I'm like you know if I get these really cool artists on board this will incentivize people to um back my project so I started thinking bigger and and taking advice from the comics tribe guys and then um and and then I started thinking about stretch goals and stuff like that because I hadn't really considered it very much with the first um Kickstarter so one of the stretch goals was everybody that backed it got this free mini comic and I got the cover for that one done by Rich Woodle and uh so we reached that goal and then we reached the second goal which was I was gonna hire a letter which ended up being awesome because Rachel daring uh who has worked on horror anthologies I think it's called Freight of the dark

is one of her horror anthologies and she does she works on Archie Comics and all sorts of stuff she's very prolific she she's the one who gave me the advice on you know that I needed to hire an editor I did that and I got Sean Greenleaf who is uh he works on escape from Jesus Island and my books and now he works on oathbound and astop punk as well and I think he has another project that he's working on and I forget what it is and that makes me feel bad he is the guy that I collaborate with the best so cool um my advice to people is um if you're going to do a

Kickstarter um really do your research on it ahead of time like for this one I realized that printing cost are really what the big deal is right like I'm trying to get a book printed so um in order to to get those in order to make it feasible to put these books into stores or to get distribution or anything like that if you're an independent Creator you have to buy a big print run in order to do that it's it's thousands of dollars right the cheaper way to do it unfortunately is a graphic novel maybe it's unfortunate maybe it's not I like single issues I'm a I book collector myself yeah right but yeah I'm the opposite I like the novels I like having them all compiled yeah my my wife is a graphic

novel person she doesn't buy singles and I realized there's a trend going towards that you know like when I do conventions I can't sell my single issues but I can sell graphic novels so I was like you know after doing this for a couple years now I'm just like you know graphic novels are the way to go give somebody a full story and to to to like read that takes up like maybe a couple hours of their life yeah so um yeah anyway so when I went into this I I I found the the printer that I wanted to use that could do the things I wanted to do with the comic and um yeah so um that's what's led me to to my current phase of of Kickstarter um but

the other thing mentioned oh yeah for no no no go ahead sorry I'm not making something that's like a Marvel or DC Comic you know like a lot of lot of the bigger distribution companies aren't going to come near my project and I know that and uh but I don't want to make those books you know I don't want to make something safe and right yeah so Kickstarter is awesome for this because what it does is you build an audience so from the calaminus black Devils I made I made fans and fans came and followed me into the infernal paack and then that built and now they've followed me into horor Babylon and I'm making newer fans so you're you're just constantly growing your fan base and um and I'm doing something that's kind

of in a niche market where I I think when you guys saw me at at Boston I was sandwiched next to a woman that was doing like Disney princess pinup yeah that's right like horror and and smut and so that that's a little strange but that's the that's the weird and cool thing about comic books now is but I mean it worked out in a way because our I was drawn to you yes but I felt bad for all the moms that walked by with their little wanted to buy Ariel and I've got like all this satanic stuff up yeah it was It was kind of interesting placement nonetheless I wanted to ask about uh because I I get the impression your your pro kind of physical uh comics and and books and whatnot um and digital stuff is kind of growing and I'm kind of I

guess because we've just I've just moved countries and all that kind of stuff and so I'm very Pro digital right now because it means I can keep all my stuff with me when I move around and and things um how do you feel like how you feel about that and is there uh I mean this is kind of a a busy sort of question but um I've noticed that there's a trend where the digital stuff actually sometimes even more expensive than the physical stuff especially from the big publishes like yeah um for me I make the digital cheaper yeah see that's I mean I it seems like that's how it would work out you to print it but but you know well the the bigger guys don't have to be nice to you yeah you know they can charge you over a price for

their books um Char convenience yes but but comicy has changed the has changed the game for people um I think it was uh Becky cloan put out like a book almost exclusively uh digitally and then turned around and printed it later I think yeah right and I could be wrong about that it's called the Meyer um I know it I know that there are physical copies of but uh for a while I thought it was just a digital book I know that JK Woodward did Behemoth for monkey brain and that is only done digitally right you can't get a physical copy of it so um yeah there is a there is a trend towards digital I'm not opposed to it I prefer a physical copy in my hand going forward people will be able to buy digital books from me you won't be able

to get some of my stuff digitally like I'm never goingon to put a Tiana Bible up digitally right sure but um well you never know uh but the infernal packed you can get the whole series on comicy uh you can get the entire graphic no for the caminus black Devils um on drive-through Comics I think um I don't really make a cut off that so I don't promote it too hard but you can buy issues one and two off of comixology and I get the profits from that yeah cool uh and horror Babylon when it's done um so for everybody that backs the book you get a PDF of the book as it's produced before like every chapter when it's done will be sent to you now how I'm approaching this book is I'm

drawing U sort of sporadically so page like 92 might get drawn before page 13 but um my my goal is to have everybody get their chapters you know have my chapters done in order so that people can um read them one by one as they're produced uh within like a couple of weeks of each other right so that kind of makes it like the single issues yes yes and um I think and I'm not positive about it yet but I think when it's all said and done I will probably deconstruct the book um because I have these four awesome variant covers and I've got my own cover right the book is five chapters long so to deconstruct it

chapter by chapter I could put those covers on it and then put them out digitally 1 through five so it's it's not something that I have seen anybody else do before you know make the whole graphic novel and then break it down later but um it's something I'm going to seriously consider doing and hopefully it'll you know gain some traction on on the the digital on the webs for people that really like digital comics and there are people who who won't buy my physical books but they will buy my my books on comixology and uh there's particular guy who who really likes my work but he won't buy a physical copy of it he's like nope read digital and I don't blame you it's it's it's one of these things where the um it it makes sense now people don't

have it a ton of space and every is hooked up to the web and it just m you know if that's your if that's how you enjoy the reading experience also with with comicy they do that guided view thing yeah which is super cool because it goes pan panel or um or you can blow the page up and see all the artwork so that's kind of cool too yeah that's really handy on a phone like well I mean obviously it's better in General on an iPad or or something bigger but like you know if I was on the train stuck or something I could like keep reading it's cool yeah I I read the entire like Darkness series uh so I only I only own one issue of the the darkness and I was like oh it's okay but then I was like you know I I had nothing better read or something I don't know and I I ended up

buying it I really enjoyed it and uh but a lot of lot of stuff to read yes yes it's a big Series so um yeah escape from Jesus Island the the artist who works for them who did one of my covers uh they really push the digital because he does everything digitally and he does all this intricate work um like there's little hidden stuff in every panel and so you really can't see it unless you buy the digital version yeah I was goingon to ask you do you work physically or do you work digitally like with that just in general I I do a mixture of both um with calamitus black Devils everything was drawn and but how that book was done was so bizarre like literally every panel was a sheet of paper so I have this stack in the corner of my house that's

every single panel of the calam black Devils that's cool and I would scan it in and then I would I would rearrange it on the page and then I would uh digitally ink it cool wow uh with the infernal packed I would do these really um I I did them on traditional size comic book pages and then I'd scan them in I would create a black I'd paint the whole page black and I would um change the opacity so that I could see through the black and I didn't use a paintbrush instead I I erased oh cool panels so that's how you get the look for The Infernal packed is that it's right it's sort of like scratchboard that's cool yeah and and that takes forever so when I was done with that series I'm like I'm never doing that

again and so now I'm I basically horor Babylon is I've come back to doing traditional but now my skills have vastly improved yeah right so um now I'm doing more traditional work um and it how I go into it now is um I'll either do my roughs in the computer and print them out and then Ruff them out again and then scan them back in and then digitally ink them wow or El to start to finish uh all on the computer okay so um yeah the I use a waycom tablet and I use Kyle's brushes um it's it's like different brush packs you can buy cool so and they've got some really cool ones uh but I highly recommend you know I

it's a one-time deal you you have to buy the waycom tablet and then you you you can use the basic brushes that you're just given with Photoshop or whatever yeah um I don't have to buy paper anymore unless I'm you know what I mean it's when I look in that corner where there's cobwebs and the clamus black Devils is sitting I'm like yeah that was kind of cool and and I do commission work and stuff like that you know I do sketch covers and everything so I I can physically draw on things but digital is so much more forgiving I can go into it as Loose as I want not really think about it and like so I'll lay my page out I've got my roughs and I can walk away and come back and I can see all the proportions and like figure out what's screwed up with it and what's great

about it and then fix it you know just move everything around so it's a it's a better product in my opinion um cool you're not Mar to whatever you put down to begin with so all right well uh we've taken up a bunch of your time but I want to ask uh before you go what is your favorite horror movie and why oh wow U that's a no press no pressure well could I do it you're asking for one but I have like oh you can do it you can list a few I don't think I could pick one either yeah it it goes by like it it goes about time periods for me you know like when the kid uh nightmare in Elm Street and Friday the 13th that's when I was into slasher films really you know and I I have this you know for a grown man I've got this big collection

of Friday the 13th and Nightmare El Street memorabilia that I still build on which is a little embarrassing because my kids are like I want to play with that and I'm like no that's yeah we have the problem with nieces and nephews yeah some of us like no no those aren't toys yeah those are those are our figurines so that that's my that's my big collectioner and I guess if you wanted to ask me what what my absolute favorite horror movie was the one that sticks with me still today is Nightmare and Elm Street part one okay uh I know it sounds pretty generic but when you're a kid and you see that time and the the Practical effects you know when his arms stretch across the STS and like his space gets ripped off and like the getting diced up on the

ceiling I mean all that stuff was just like it's crazy it's crazy and there's no CGI in it and that's the problem with horror movies today is like they CGI out of it and it it loses its spook Factor altogether you're just like if if they do it the Peter Jackson route you know mix the with just blood everywhere yeah see I would see I always say Evil Dead just because for me Evil Dead sums up everything that I love about horror movies is like the goofy practical effects and then and you mentioned Evil Dead 2 earlier I actually love Evil Dead 2 maybe more just in general just because of Evil Dead 2 for you have to understand like we're talking about different time periods when I discovered Evil Dead 2 because that was an indie film you know that that wasn't a lot of

press I remember I I was at my grandparents house and um they had HBO and there it was around Halloween or something and it was playing Evil Dead too and I was like oh wow and um it was just like a little clip they showed and it was the woman's head falling into his lap while he's in the yeah I was like that looks like the scariest movie I've ever seen so I stayed up really really late and I watched I've been watch like this horror Marathon I think it was like Children of the Corn and like a couple other things and then Evil Dead 2 came on and and that like changed my world I was like what is this this is like the most brilliant thing I've ever seen it's funny it's gross it's crazy yeah it's like weird and trippy and it's awesome

at the end when he ends up in the medieval times yeah exactly what is and then when Army of Darkness came out I remember seeing the movie poster and I'm like this is Evil Dead 3 you know I grasp the concept well they should have just called it Evil Dead 3 it would have done Gang Busters but Army of Darkness when I saw the movie poster I was like I have to go see this thing I'm like I finally get to figure out what happened to him when he went back when he went back but and I love the series that's on TV and now yeah now whatever what is it 20 30 years later you can find out even more yeah it's great it you know Sam Ry and and Bruce Campbell together should just be like like a Johnny Depp and Tim Burton team up or something y it's just great um so yeah then there was uh then

I went through this like phase where I was trying to watch disturbing movies and I like Zoo 120 days of Sodom and Antichrist in a Serbian film and then I was like I'm all done with those those aren't really horror movies as much as they no yeah no I agree I'm not I'm not into that stuff much they're more for the shock value I like Monsters and and a bit of bit of comedy in there and yeah yeah I just really like the b-grade the really cheesy ones you ever seen Knight of the Demons the original one is that the the demons I think her name's I think it's Alice is the name of the uh the evil person in that one and she looks like an like a sort of demonic Undead uh black bride you know she's got the Dario agento one that's just demons I think yeah yeah you got to see Night

of the Demons it's it's ridiculous there's there's these really stupid effects in it that don't make any sense but you just well that was my my final question was going to be is there a favorite guilty pleasure horror movie of yours so maybe this counts um but or is there something better I think well oh man such tough questions sorry guilty horror movie um geez they're all kind of like I the ones that I'll tell you what the one that I watch the most of and it's not a guilty pleasure or anything because it's just badass is the thing oh yeah yeah and I would consider that a horror movie

over a Sci-Fi philm yeah totally it's it's ridiculous John Carpenter is great isn't he though he's just like and I really wish he was making more movies uh yeah I heard he's coming back to do Halloween again which I'm super excited about and um and yeah Halloween is one of those where it gets play once a year recently I've been watch uh what was it that came out last year it follows I really liked oh yeah Y and then um this year it people are mixed on it but I thought it was super creepy was the witch um oh yeah a people went watch that I don't know I didn't found it a little boring it was a little dry I think like went thinking it was going to be like a satanic blood bath or something like that probably why I was expecting more yeah it it it ended up

being like a period piece with like right yeah see I was a little disappoint I mean this is a spoiler sorry listeners if you haven't seen the witch close your ears for a second I was a little disappointed that there there was a witch at the end you know yeah that's right cuz I was I was actually like the scariest thing about that that film I thought was that like I could believe that this actually happened in a way like the family all turning on each other and stuff yeah well I mean uh the the because it did happen right but yeah just having a witch kind of ruined everything well it wasn't that it was just a witch there was multiple witches and then that right like yeah it was one of these things where you know I was there was no shocks in it there was no

jump scares it wasn't gory well except for when the baby dies but uh but it it sets a tone right from the beginning of like yeah absolutely and then and then as it builds you know when she's floating up to the sky at the end of it you're kind of like she was [ __ ] from the beginning right yeah she never had a shot the devil had her and to think that like these people that you know really truly and honestly believe in God and you know they're God-fearing people for her to give up everything because she was put in such a awful situation you just it's got like this really Dreadful feeling to it and that's why I liked it okay it was more a uh it it wasn't like I saw the movie and I was like that movie was awesome it was like I walked up and then like 10 minutes later I was

like man that movie was [ __ ] up yeah that's that's what I like about horror movies I like the ones that kind of stick with you I think using jump scares too much is pretty cheesy um and it's it's nothing that really gets under your skin later on H yeah when there was like that string of uh Japanese films that were being remade into American movies like The the ring y those first came out like I remember they got some jumps out of me and a actually after I saw the ring for the first time it was like I I was in a car with my ex-girlfriend and we're like driving to New York or something and I'm like it's been seven days we're still alive yeah the the first time I saw The Ring the you know the the sequence at the end which just comes out of the TV

and everything like that that was like that was really cool that's great because you think it's over at that cuz I'd never seen that kind of yeah that was a new thing to me yeah and then it's very cool and The Grudge too the opening for The Grudge like I went to that in Time Square with a couple of my friends and they were like holding on to each other they're like oh my God is gonna be good so but yeah different time periods different loves different kinds of horor movies that I like um cool I I I I really like the stylized ones I like practical effects and I just like like super cheesy digital CGI ghosts they really piss me off you're not aan of Ghostbusters so bad I wanted to love Crimson Peak and I

it I liked Crimson I liked Crimson Peak overall but yeah I do agree the his practical stuff was better so Ghostbusters is all CG is that what you said yeah I think so the new one yeah oh wow well I haven't seen it I don't I haven't either my wife went to go see it with uh she took my oldest daughter and I I think they really enjoyed it so oh I'm sure it will end up on our Shelf at home I'm sure it's perfectly fine and inoffensive it's not I don't think it's gonna be you know so um but yeah uh thanks for talking to me today and I like thanks so much stuff if you ever want to talk about spooky stuff again I'm into it we always do yeah cool so listeners go to Kickstarter and check out the horr of Babylon

yep there's you've funded about halfway now and there are I think 19 days left at this point yeah so get in there quick yeah get some cool rewards cool rewards there's original art um commissions variant covers like I said from some really uh cool artists get in how and you can get those things yep awesome thank you yeah thanks so much that was our interview with Joseph schaly so if you interested in checking out his Kickstarter all the details are in the show notes or you can head over to multiple nerdgasm tocom uh we'll put the details up over there as well and please check out our website uh get in touch with us let us know what you liked what you didn't like about the interview and who you'd like us to talk to uh just anything we just love to hear from you

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